BEEZ

My question is, you guys are saying that Toronto is going to run, run run, but is Sam Mitchell that kind of coach?

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Turkish Delight

Well he's claimed to be. We've definately made some strides in that department last year, and that certainly helped Bosh's development. He's excels on the open court.
Now that we have a couple of more players that can fit that type of system, hopefully Sam Mitchell can shape this all together.

ColinBeehler

How can you expect to get an all star, extra picks, and some a solid role player (E. Williams could be if given the right role). When you are trading a player with major injury concerns, little to no effort on the court, and seemed (at the time) to be 2 years passed his best days...

Of course I am pissed at what we got for Carter now that I saw him magically turn around his game. But I am not pissed at Babcock, I'm pissed at the little Wince b*tch that used to where the Raps jersey so well...

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seifer0406

I'm not arguing about the picks but to say the raptors will make a fast turn around next year is quite absurd. Raptors is like Phoenix without the dynamic offense and like Detroit without the solid defense. They lack any specific strength at this point and will need the young players to develop and possibly another key player to be competitive.

trick

no one is saying that

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TheATLien

I know you get off hating everything about this franchise, but for once why not state what your genius mind would have done so at least we have something to judge you on????

picks 7,16,41 and 58...what would you do??????
while I don't defend or condemn any of Babcocks picks, you obviously are a top level NBA talent evaluator (*sarcasm*), so why don't you bless us with your vast knowledge of the game????

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lucky777s

The first draft pick from the VC trade could have landed us Gerald Green or Danny Granger. That was certainly a very valuable pick and helps balance that trade considerably. Even getting Graham with that pick could prove to be extremely nice.

Reality check:

Before this draft the idea of getting Green and Bynum was a wet dream for Raptor fans. The idea of getting Green, Bynum and Ukic would have been considered too ridiculous to even talk about. Pure fantasy. Impossible.

But the fact is the Raps could have walked away from this draft with Bynum, Green, and Ukic.

That is what you have to compare the final result to. That is why I don't like the draft. Not because I don't like the players we got, but because we could have done so much better.

butr

Just curious, what should they have done IYO.

butr

I agree with you so much 777 so this feels weird.

I am not going to defend Rob or the brass but it IS unfair at this point to judge which of these players will become best.

Things can go either way at this point. From what I've learned from GG in the last few days, he is not the kind of person that I wish to be a piece of the core.

If GG was the next Lebron, he would be number 1. He is clearly more Dorrell Wright than Lebron. That is not necessarily bad but it is a question mark.

You are certainly entitled to feel disappointment. But seriously, when you see GG sitting on the bench or down in the development league for the next 2 years are you still going to be saying what you are saying now.

It is a certainty that he is immature physically and mentally at this point.

And to be honest, the curve for improvement on this team is T-minus 2 years. Charlie V will be approaching a great time as a 22/23 year old. GG will be just starting to get PT at this point, when Bosh will have to leave or extend.

You can think I'm wrong, but in retrospect their thinking and their choice makes a lot of sense to me. The raps were last in rebound differential. CV grabbed 8.3 in around 25 mins. Frye got 7.5 or so in 31. CV is the kind of big that fits what the organisation is trying to accomplish.

Could Bynum be great? Maybe. But lets look at the Other HS bigs. Kwame is a head case gone at #1 and has just recently become decent. Still immature in the head. Eddy turned it on in his contract year taken in the top (4th). Tyson (2nd) has just finally come through at the end of his rookie deal as well. Even still, are they worth the money they will surely ask for, for one decent year of service? Robert Swift taken (12?) got 16 games. Al Jefferson picked 13 is no world beater, but should develop.

Amare is the only big of recent memory to be drafted outside the top 3 to make a tremendous impact. But he had the body and mind to do it.

Maybe Bynum can do it, but it is a crap shoot. CV is not.

lucky777s

Don't get me wrong BUTR. I do not see Bynum or Green as sure things by any means. They are gambles. Comparing Green to Dorrel Wright may be exactly right and I'm fine with that. Picking him at 16 would be perfect. Bynum is a rare physical beast so if Kwame deserved a 1 and Curry deserved a 1 then quite frankly Bynum may have deserved a 1. Getting him at 7 would have been great. He isn't Jerome Moiso or Mengke Bateer, I'm pretty sure of that.

Even if both picks turned into busts I would never criticize those picks. Babs would have taken the best shot at bringing in true impact players. To not take either in our position seems wrong to me. Maybe I am just more aggressive than Babs.

But Charlie is a gamble too in my opinion. Especially if you expect him to play 5.

No way was he the best 5 on the board. Or the best 3 for that matter. So what does his versatility really mean if there are better players available at those positions where we have real needs.

Charlie could surprise everyone and outshine Bosh as the new franchise guy. Who really knows. Almost every draft pick is a crap shoot. He seems to have really matured.

But when I shoot craps I do it to win big, and I'm not afraid to make big bets. Babs had two shots at home run picks. He left the bat on his shoulder both times and didn't take his cut.

Maybe changing the culture is more important than pure talent at this point, I don't know. But I do know we have sacrificed pure talent for that in this draft.

Crossword

I've been defending my team enough. You've been bashing my team's draft, yet the same could be said about yours. So don't talk if your team won 13 games. The Raptors are gonna win 13 games by mid-December 2005, so don't talk.

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ATLien

So I can't criticize because my team sucks? That's some ****ty *** logic you got there. I'll criticize whoever the **** I want whenever the **** I want. Don't ****ing tell me what I can say and won't say. If you think I'm bashing the Raptors, I'm not. I'm just letting people know that I don't like what Babs is doing. Now what is so ****ing wrong with that? I'm not the type who is going to kiss his *** and be a ****ing cheerleader. **** that edited *** ****.

you're at about a nine, here. i need you at about a three. thanks.

ps. to everyone who masks their curses, you can see from the above post from TheATLien that if you let the auto-edit do it's thing, your post still retains the power of cursing and avoids me going in and clipping it altogether, so nobody ever sees your diatribe. let the asterix's do their thing.

Captain Obvious

Let me preface this post by saying that I think Toronto actually had a solid draft.

However, if I'm a Toronto fan I would be pretty disappointed with the way things turned out. If I was in Babcock's place, I would have drafted (in order) Green, Granger, Ukic, and Mendez. This would also give you guys a better chance to resign Bonner and potentially be looking at this depth chart:

Alston, Al. Williams, Ukic
Rose, Peterson, Green
Granger, E. Williams, Murray
Bosh, Bonner, Aa. Williams
Araujo, Sow, Woods

NBDL: Cook, Mendez

Down the road this could've turned into a lineup of:

Ukic
Green
Granger
Bosh
Who cares (Magloire??)

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