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GuelphRaptorsFan · 07-06-2005, 07:29 AM

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I have a question for all of you guys who critized RB for picking Villanueva; if it was not villanueva then who should have been picked at #7? I hope your answer is not fry because I don't see any upside with that guy. Green is too hyped but lack of alot of things otherwise he would have been picked with in 1-5 easily. Gragner had back and knee injuries not to mention he played in weak confrence. So who should be picked at #7. some even suggested VC would have been available at pick #16! please be real he would not passed pick #9.

My personal vote would have been for Diogu, followed by Granger, Green and May. Villaneuva was at least 5th. And before you say it, yes, all of those guys have issues, thats why they were available at #7, but in my mind, weighing the positives and negatives of those 5 guys, Villaneuva comes in last. But then again, I weigh heart and game time performance more heavily than most people probably do.

JL2002 · 07-06-2005, 07:32 AM

seriously, after all these days, I'm convinced that he will do good and be one of the top rookies this year....! i wouldn't trade CV3 for Magloire straight up right now....we'll get Mags in 2 yrs and we'll have one of the best lineup in NBA....

butr · 07-06-2005, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by GuelphRaptorsFan

My personal vote would have been for Diogu, followed by Granger, Green and May. Villaneuva was at least 5th. And before you say it, yes, all of those guys have issues, thats why they were available at #7, but in my mind, weighing the positives and negatives of those 5 guys, Villaneuva comes in last. But then again, I weigh heart and game time performance more heavily than most people probably do.

If they picked Ike, Rob would have been just as ripped. Ike was even lower projected pick.

GuelphRaptorsFan · 07-06-2005, 09:05 AM

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If they picked Ike, Rob would have been just as ripped. Ike was even lower projected pick.

I won't argue that statement at all. It would have made me happy, and potentially only me. But while I obviously can't expect Babcock to ask me what I thought and draft solely based on my opinion, thats what my opinion is nevertheless. Had he not drafted Diogu or Villanueva but one of those other guys instead, thus ending up with two SG/SF instead of a SG/SF and a PF, I would have been perfectly happy. Admittedly this team does need a big, but I would have accepted the argument that we needed to load up on talent.

The Mad Viking · 07-06-2005, 09:37 AM

It's funny how people get labels and can't escape them, and others who deserve them never get them.

It's hilarious how CV gets tagged with disappearing, but Marvin Williams gets a free ride. Okay, MW was a freshman, and CV was a soph. But MW disappeared huge, especially late in close games.

Lets look at the biggest game CV had to play in, as the teams go-to guy. The last one in the tournie, when they were upset by Julius Hodge and NC State.

They were trailing 57-49 with 4 minute to go, and CV almost single handedly led the Huskies back. He scored and converted a FT play, then with 2 minutes to go was fouled and made both FTs, and scored again with 14 seconds to go to tie the game.

One player can't do it all, and Hodge made a clutch drive to win the game. But if you call that performance "disappearing" well, I'd sure like a lot more invisible men on the Raptors.

CV is a very special player. He rebounds and blocks shots like a center, but has way better handles than Bosh on offence. His post defence needs work, it's true, but who's perfect?

As far as guys like Frye and Diogu, they were the main guys on mediocre teams in a mediocre conference. So of course they could pad their numbers. CV played with a C and a big F who will both likely go in the lottery next year. Draft Express has Gay at #2 and Boone at #6, for crying out loud. CV was remarkably productive in Conneticut.

Diogu over CV? You have got to be kidding. Diogu has bust potential. I personally don't think he will, but he's a 6-8 center who will move to PF, and he played against boys and now he'll face men. Very few of these guys become good NBA players, and fewer still become all-stars. CV is a sure thing. We don't know whether he'll be a Robert Horry type, (by which I mean a highly effective 6th man, not referring to his playoff clutch-ness) or an all-star starter. But we know he'll be a good NBA player.

Channing Frye is probably no more a center than CV. He is a better scorer with his back to the basket, but man, he is feeble as a rebounder. He is just a tall PF in the NBA, IMO.

GuelphRaptorsFan · 07-06-2005, 11:49 AM

I have some concerns about Villanueva's ability to translate his offense and offensive rebounding from the NCAA to the NBA, but not many. Ignoring consistency and heart for now, I think defense is a far bigger concern. From the scouting reports I've seen and the limited action I've seen him in, he got pushed around in the NCAA, which would seem to indicate he'll get abused in the NBA. I'm sure he has room to get stronger and more aggressive, but from what I can see, he's got a fair distance to travel in those departments.

The Mad Viking · 07-06-2005, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GuelphRaptorsFan

...he got pushed around in the NCAA, which would seem to indicate he'll get abused in the NBA. I'm sure he has room to get stronger and more aggressive, but from what I can see, he's got a fair distance to travel in those departments.

Absolutely true. He was easily backed down in the post by his opponents. He really needs to aggressively hold his position in the post.

He doesn't box out that well either- he rebounds like Donyell Marshall, going for the ball, rather than by denying his man the ball. OTOH, he is very good on the offensive glass- because he pursues the ball so well.

SkywalkerAC · 07-06-2005, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Mad Viking

It's funny how people get labels and can't escape them, and others who deserve them never get them.

It's hilarious how CV gets tagged with disappearing, but Marvin Williams gets a free ride. Okay, MW was a freshman, and CV was a soph. But MW disappeared huge, especially late in close games.

Lets look at the biggest game CV had to play in, as the teams go-to guy. The last one in the tournie, when they were upset by Julius Hodge and NC State.

They were trailing 57-49 with 4 minute to go, and CV almost single handedly led the Huskies back. He scored and converted a FT play, then with 2 minutes to go was fouled and made both FTs, and scored again with 14 seconds to go to tie the game.

One player can't do it all, and Hodge made a clutch drive to win the game. But if you call that performance "disappearing" well, I'd sure like a lot more invisible men on the Raptors.

CV is a very special player. He rebounds and blocks shots like a center, but has way better handles than Bosh on offence. His post defence needs work, it's true, but who's perfect?

As far as guys like Frye and Diogu, they were the main guys on mediocre teams in a mediocre conference. So of course they could pad their numbers. CV played with a C and a big F who will both likely go in the lottery next year. Draft Express has Gay at #2 and Boone at #6, for crying out loud. CV was remarkably productive in Conneticut.

Diogu over CV? You have got to be kidding. Diogu has bust potential. I personally don't think he will, but he's a 6-8 center who will move to PF, and he played against boys and now he'll face men. Very few of these guys become good NBA players, and fewer still become all-stars. CV is a sure thing. We don't know whether he'll be a Robert Horry type, (by which I mean a highly effective 6th man, not referring to his playoff clutch-ness) or an all-star starter. But we know he'll be a good NBA player.

Channing Frye is probably no more a center than CV. He is a better scorer with his back to the basket, but man, he is feeble as a rebounder. He is just a tall PF in the NBA, IMO.

Probably the best post I've heard on the topic yet. Bravo.

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