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Divine Spammer · 08-09-2005, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by McFurious

Im pretty dissapointed with the low ball number Babcock offered he really didnt make it hard on the Bulls to resign Duhon...

What did you want?
If he offers too much he'll get stuck with an overpaid player.

BTW, the money spent on Duhon is the amount we should sign matt with.
Three years, $6-7 M. Fair enough.

JuniorNoboa · 08-09-2005, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Turkish Delight

If Duhon ends up coming here, how many players in the last 2 or 3 seasons have been both on the Bulls and on the Raptors at some time?
Off the top of my head I can think of Jalen Rose, Antonio Davis, JYD, Rick Brunson, Donyell Marshall, Roger Mason Jr. Anybody else?

Pargo, Baxter

**speedythief** · 08-09-2005, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by McFurious

speedy am I missing something here?

Im pretty dissapointed with the low ball number Babcock offered he really didnt make it hard on the Bulls to resign Duhon... it will be just our luck some other team offfers Bonner a big deal prying him away leaving us with nothing in return in the free agent market.

Rob is trying to take advantage of Paxson. The Bulls are in the process of deciding their finances when it comes to the possible re-signing of Chandler and Curry, as well as the notion that they might want to sign one of the amnesty players. They have a lot on their plate right now and I think the strategy was to offer Duhon slightly more than the Bulls want to pay for him in an effort to make them give up on him and focus their efforts on the other, more important players. Especially considering how Pargo is starting to become a good NBA player and Hinrich has been out of position for long enough.

The problem is that Rob didn't want to offer all of the remaining MLE because he wants to keep Bonner and we have to use at least part of the MLE to sign him. So Rob didn't make a big enough offer to scare-off Chicago. And in the meantime Matt reads this message board, as I know all Toronto Raptors players and team employees do, and starts to wonder if he is wanted at all by anyone in the front office.

There is a potential backfire to this offer which is the possibility that Bonner and his agent decide that Toronto doesn't know what they want and are just going to flail about for the next few years, so they sign an offer sheet elsewhere and ask the Raptors not to match (you'll hear that Bonner was "too expensive" from the Raptors camp if this happens, you won't hear them say "we ****ed ourselves by toying with him for weeks on end").

At least that's what I'm thinking.

I also had another theory, though. Toronto offers Duhon slightly more than Chicago had been offering. Babcock does this after talking with Paxson and getting the figure from him. Duhon signs the sheet, thinking he just got himself a raise over what the Bulls wanted to give him, when in reality he's signing for the amount that the Bulls want him for, and they "match". In exchange, the Bulls run the same game on the Raps' free agent Matt Bonner, who signs an offer sheet with the Bulls for the amount Toronto wants him for, and we match. But that one's a little far-out.

Rhubarb · 08-09-2005, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by speedythief

I also had another theory, though. Toronto offers Duhon slightly more than Chicago had been offering. Babcock does this after talking with Paxson and getting the figure from him. Duhon signs the sheet, thinking he just got himself a raise over what the Bulls wanted to give him, when in reality he's signing for the amount that the Bulls want him for, and they "match". In exchange, the Bulls run the same game on the Raps' free agent Matt Bonner, who signs an offer sheet with the Bulls for the amount Toronto wants him for, and we match. But that one's a little far-out.

I like the way your mind works speedy, but alas I don't see Pax and Babcock running along those same lines.

Rhubarb · 08-09-2005, 04:03 AM

Come to think of it, what's the bet that Chicago take a harder look at Jay Williams if we snare Duhon from them?

nwt · 08-09-2005, 06:16 AM

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...-sportsnew-hed

Paxson expects to keep Duhon
GM will likely match offer from Raptors

By Marlen Garcia
Tribune staff reporter
Published August 9, 2005

Chris Duhon has signed an offer sheet with the Toronto Raptors, but in all likelihood the Bulls restricted free agent will suit up at the United Center this fall, Bulls general manager John Paxson said Monday.

"It's highly likely that we will match the offer," Paxson said in a conference call with reporters. "Relatively, in the scheme of things, it's not a lengthy deal and it's money we've allocated for Chris."

The offer from Toronto is believed to be worth no more than $2.5 million a season for three years. Paxson's initial offer to Duhon was in the range of $6 million over three years.

Duhon could not be reached for comment. His agent, Bill Duffy, declined to comment on negotiations.

Under the new collective bargaining agreement, Paxson has a week to match the offer and probably will use all seven days to mull over the contract.

"It's in our best interests to wait out the week and analyze everything," he said. "As I've said all along, we're going to re-sign our guys."

Duhon's salary will be subtracted from the team's mid-level exception of $5 million, the rest of which Paxson will use to pursue a veteran free agent.

Paxson had encouraged all his restricted free agents to establish their market value by seeking offers from other teams, but Tyson Chandler, Eddy Curry and Jannero Pargo have not attracted significant interest.

Pargo could be squeezed out of a crowded backcourt, but Paxson maintains he wants him back to keep the chemistry that helped the Bulls reach the playoffs last season. In that regard, Paxson is optimistic unrestricted free agent Othella Harrington will return.

Paxson said he will meet with Chandler's agent in the next 10 days, but no such plans are in the works in Curry's case.

Curry's agent, Leon Rose, still is looking for an insurance company to cover Curry if he can't fulfill a contract because of problems relating to his irregular heartbeat.

"I think the process is slower than he thought and would like it to be," Paxson said.

Paxson didn't hide his concern over the insurance matter.

"The issue is: Can he get it?" Paxson said when asked if the cost of insurance premiums would figure into Curry's contract. The Bulls would not pay the premiums, he added.

In other Bulls news, Paxson confirmed that Eddie Basden, a gritty guard who went undrafted in June after starring for Charlotte in his senior season, has signed a two-year contract. Basden told the Charlotte Observer the deal becomes guaranteed if he makes the opening-night roster.

"I fully expect Eddie Basden to be on our roster this year," Paxson said. "We're very confident he can play a role for us this year."

Basden arrived Sunday in Chicago and has started working out at the Berto Center, Paxson said. He added that Malik Allen, 27, who played with Miami for 3 1/2 seasons before he was traded to Charlotte, will be in town Tuesday to visit the Bulls.

The Bulls open the regular season at home Nov. 2 against Charlotte and will play defending NBA champ San Antonio Nov. 7, the team announced Monday.

The schedule early in the season will not be kind. The Bulls play nine of their first 14 games on the road.

On the bright side for fans, Bulls' games will be broadcast once on ABC, four times on TNT and once each on ESPN and ESPN2. A year ago, they were scheduled for just one national television appearance outside of NBA-TV.

lucky777s · 08-09-2005, 07:19 AM

I have been calling for this move all summer. Nobody seemed too interested.

Duhon is by far the best FA fit for the Raps. I am just disappointed we didn't make a strong enough offer. 3 mill+ was needed to scare away the Bulls. And its reasonable for Duhon who is a great defender and can play either guard spot.

It would mean losing Bonner, but the Charlie pick puts Bonners minutes in doubt anyway.

The drafting of Ukic has now hurt us. If we drafted and signed Calderon instead we would have our full MLE to assure getting Duhon out of CHI. Now they likely match.

**Turkish Delight** · 08-09-2005, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by lucky777s

I have been calling for this move all summer. Nobody seemed too interested.

Duhon is by far the best FA fit for the Raps. I am just disappointed we didn't make a strong enough offer. 3 mill+ was needed to scare away the Bulls. And its reasonable for Duhon who is a great defender and can play either guard spot.

It would mean losing Bonner, but the Charlie pick puts Bonners minutes in doubt anyway.

The drafting of Ukic has now hurt us. If we drafted and signed Calderon instead we would have our full MLE to assure getting Duhon out of CHI. Now they likely match.

Yeah that's pretty much what I'm thinking. I would have liked Babcock to offer him a little more, to really put the pressure on the Bulls. But if it starts at only $2.5 million, the Bulls will surely match. In the end, all that this will do is hold us off from re-signing Bonner until the Bulls inevitably match. It will also make Bonner look like he's just a bunch of leftovers, which may hinder our chance of re-signing him.

foul_balls · 08-09-2005, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by speedythief

I also had another theory, though. Toronto offers Duhon slightly more than Chicago had been offering. Babcock does this after talking with Paxson and getting the figure from him. Duhon signs the sheet, thinking he just got himself a raise over what the Bulls wanted to give him, when in reality he's signing for the amount that the Bulls want him for, and they "match". In exchange, the Bulls run the same game on the Raps' free agent Matt Bonner, who signs an offer sheet with the Bulls for the amount Toronto wants him for, and we match. But that one's a little far-out.

I was thinking that there is one more remote possibility. Babcock gets Chicago to pay more for Duhon than they wanted, then after Chicago matches, Babcock swoops in and offers a contract to Jannero Pargo, for the rest of the MLE after signing Bonner. After paying extra for Duhon, Chicago decides not to match.

I don't know much about Jannero except he is a streaky shooter and alot of people on this board don't want him, but TO is looking for a 3rd pg.

**Turkish Delight** · 08-09-2005, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by foul_balls

I was thinking that there is one more remote possibility. Babcock gets Chicago to pay more for Duhon than they wanted, then after Chicago matches, Babcock swoops in and offers a contract to Jannero Pargo, for the rest of the MLE after signing Bonner. After paying extra for Duhon, Chicago decides not to match.

I don't know much about Jannero except he is a streaky shooter and alot of people on this board don't want him, but TO is looking for a 3rd pg.

I would rather have Omar over Pargo any day. First off Omar would be a lot cheaper, and he's exactly what we need, a pass first PG. We have enough chuckers on this team as it is.

**madman** · 08-09-2005, 07:27 AM

Plus we already tried pargo and it didnt work

foul_balls · 08-09-2005, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Turkish Delight

I would rather have Omar over Pargo any day. First off Omar would be a lot cheaper, and he's exactly what we need, a pass first PG. We have enough chuckers on this team as it is.

I like Omar's potential, too, since he is the same age as Joey Graham, but I was just wondering why Babcock would sign Duhon to an offer that he would know Chicago would match.

I guess it was a low-risk high reward move. If Chicago matches, Toronto still can sign Bonner since he hasn't signed yet with anyone else.

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