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Gilgamesh · 12-29-2005, 06:15 PM

I hope he stays in T dot O cuz he's all we got! Our team is crap. Sam Mitchell is an idiot but a media darling. If he was coaching the Leafs he would have been ousted long ago. Babcock is getting better but if he doesn't get Bosh to sign (which includes building a team that Bosh was to play on) he better be fired.

crazyfan · 12-29-2005, 11:31 PM

he should have been fired since tt vince carter trade

**Diable** · 12-30-2005, 12:23 AM

I think he will get a MAX deal.It'll probably be the team he decides to play for paying him too.

naibsel · 12-30-2005, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by WTChan

Tell me, what team looks better- 04-05 Cavs, who was in some kind of playoff contention, or the 05-06 bottom of the barrel Raptors? What team looked more promising? Who would you rather play for? Not to mention Lebron's home roots in Ohio factor in to some sort of incentive for him to stay.

ok im over the hostility, but every idiot on espn think that lebron isn't as good as wade or carmello coz his team hasn't been to playoffs yet, so in that light. it doesn't matter if u lose by an inch or a mile, its still a L.

and right now id obviously take cleveland, but as to who look more promising. besides the fact that toronto can only go up (we hope), they got villanueva, graham, calderon and bonner to a lesser extent. plus rudy gay soon enough. cleveland has got lebron and a bunch of role playing veterans (snow, Z, marshall, jones). there future (pavlovic, varejao (sp?)) doesn't look as promising. oh except for the dude getting all the triple doubles

VC_15 · 12-30-2005, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by adhir1

hmmmm...i wasnt on this site back in 2002-2003, but my gut tells me people were sayign the same thing abuot Vince? im probably rigth. Chris Bosh is not going anywhere...he is goign to remain a raptor....

the truth of the matter is, most of the poster in here (other then the raps fans, you no who u are), dont no nor care about what is going on in toronto, because u are under the imppresion that we suck right now, and just because we drafted araujo and suck that we are not going anywhere in the future, but to tell u the truth, our GM is much smarter then u all and me, he drafted 3 rookies who in the top 10, one undrafted, and the other 2 with the 7th and 16th pick, if that doesnt show u that he has an eye for talent, i dont no what does. and as for Calderon, he got him to sign with TO, over championship contending teams like Detroit(albeit, he wouldnt play in detroit, and would here)

another thing is, we have another 2 good picks this year, our own in the 1-7 range again, and Denver's who will be in the 11-20 range, what will babock do with those? that remains to be seen but he will do somethign positive im sure of that. that would potentially leave us with 7-8 core group of players who are young and talented.

lets not forget the fleecing tha happened this summer, rafer alston for Mike James? James is balling out of his mind rigth now, and paying very well, houston got jacked in that trade, another great move by Babcock, does anybody mention this, NOPE NOT AT ALL, sure the araujo and mourning situations were bad, but im sure even RC Buford has made some mistakes.

and finally, all these postives young players are wonderfull, but lets not forget the MASSIVE amount of cap space we will have come summer after this one, so lets factor this out

Young Core of players + HUGE cap space= one hell of a good team starting in 07-08

im sure Bosh knows this, and the raptors brass will let him know this if he doesnt already.

ohh by the wayy, all this equals to Bosh staying....eat our hearts out...

what are you suddenly his agent or his mom? has he ever hinted he will stay in toronto?.. all he says is that if we start winning... ill stay... do they look like a team who can win ( at most 20 games this season?)... I don't see Bosh staying in TO.... he just didn't say it so he would get jackhamered by the Toronto media... and they always put him on the spot...Chris bosh wants to leave.. but wants to leave on good terms.. not like what happened to VC.

VC_15 · 12-30-2005, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by crazyfan

he should have been fired since tt vince carter trade

Hey, why would u say that? Raptors's management and front office is one of the best in the NBA!!!

adhir1 · 12-30-2005, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by VC_15

what are you suddenly his agent or his mom? has he ever hinted he will stay in toronto?.. all he says is that if we start winning... ill stay... do they look like a team who can win ( at most 20 games this season?)... I don't see Bosh staying in TO.... he just didn't say it so he would get jackhamered by the Toronto media... and they always put him on the spot...Chris bosh wants to leave.. but wants to leave on good terms.. not like what happened to VC.

what are you suddenly his agent or his mom? has he ever hinted he wishes to leave Toronto?

take ur own advice homie....u loose ur credibilty telling me something and mere sentences later, do the exact same thing....

and no im not his agent nor his mother, but all things point to this team making considerable strides in the future, barring things that are out of the control of the raptors brass (injuries things of that nature), and how i no these strides will happen? read my post and maybe ull understand, so by Chris Bosh's logic, "as long as i see improvement" he will see improvement, we have already taken huge strides this season , next season and the one after that will be the same thing....and this team will continue to get better, and again from his logic he should sign back with us, b/c we are showing him what he wants

BBB · 12-30-2005, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by crazyfan

he should have been fired since tt vince carter trade

Maybe it was because of VC publicly demanding a trade, and then playing poorly after the trade demand, and also the fact that teams were a bit hesitant due to VC's injury history?

Give Babcock some credit. The team is rebuilding right now, and judging by how well the team's rookies are doing this year, the future does look pretty bright IMO.

Greg Ostertag! · 12-30-2005, 03:45 AM

I'm fairly confident he'll stick around. For starters, there's clearly the "the man" factor and the fact that he can make a boatload more money staying with Toronto than going elsewhere.

Toronto are promising enough (are capitalising pretty decently upon that, IMO, thus far this season) to appeal to Bosh. In many ways, Toronto is a lot like the anti-Chicago with plenty of young talent, except that it is distributed more towards the bigs (Bosh, Villaneuva, Graham). Calderon doesn't look to shabby either. They have a pretty decent starting point for a fast rise up the power rankings in the coming years with those two quality bigs.

**MemphisX** · 12-30-2005, 04:50 AM

I won't pretend I am doing anything but guessing.

IMO the problem with the T Dot "is on the rise" theory is that people assume their players will continue to improve at a steady rate toward being real good players. Calderon is good, so is CV, and Graham but Mike James looks like a player on this crap *** team and he is a bench player on any playoff contending team. Minutes and shots mask a lot of player's shortcomings. I don't see all the potential on this team except for Bosh. This team is 2-3 years away...BEST CASE SCENARIO. That is for playoff contention. He might do the UTEP 2 step...take the extension then force your way out.

shookem · 12-30-2005, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MemphisX

I won't pretend I am doing anything but guessing.

IMO the problem with the T Dot "is on the rise" theory is that people assume their players will continue to improve at a steady rate toward being real good players. Calderon is good, so is CV, and Graham but Mike James looks like a player on this crap *** team and he is a bench player on any playoff contending team. Minutes and shots mask a lot of player's shortcomings. I don't see all the potential on this team except for Bosh. This team is 2-3 years away...BEST CASE SCENARIO. That is for playoff contention. He might do the UTEP 2 step...take the extension then force your way out.

yeah but James is gone after this year anyways, so don't include him in the 'on the rise' theory.

Babcock will simply to do more then any other GM to get Chris to stay. Why do think Mitchell hasn't been fired yet? He doesn't want to give Chris the "I had three coaches" excuse.

**Crossword** · 12-30-2005, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MemphisX

He hasn't even bothered to give the standard "This is where I want to be" bull**** line.

Actually he has. Either way, he's restricted. He ain't goin nowhere.

sipclip · 12-30-2005, 11:17 AM

I think he will end up staying. You hear alot of people judging if he's going or staying on how good they are this season which is stupid. They aren't good this season and no one expected them to be good this season. In fact this season the worse they are the better so that they can snag a differance maker in the draft. They already have two young players to build around in Bosh and Villanueva plus a couple other guys that can be pretty good in Graham and Calderon. Roko Ukic there second round pick was also a huge steal imo and will be a very good player for them. Then if they can draft LaMarcus Aldridge, Rudy Gay or Adam Morrison with there top pick and maybe Maurice Ager with Denver's pick and you have a great foundation for the future.

C- Aldridge, Araujo
Pf- Bosh, Sow
Sf- Villa, Graham
Sg- Ager, Mo P
Pg- Calderon, Ukic

Yes that's an extremely young starting 5 but it's also talented as hell and a great core for the future. Then the next year they clear a ton of caproom and can bring in some good young role players to fit with that terrific starting 5.

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