VC_15

ok you got me, me i shouldn't have said he wants to leave... but the guy is certainly doesnt look happy.... i watch most of the raptors games..... and no he didn't see if i see improvement... he said if we start winning... heik u can see improvement as much as u want... and stll loose...

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Crossword

The hell kind of argument is this? The same could be applied to any player in any situation, anywhere!

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VC_15

Well this is a bit diffrent situation because he has a contract coming up.... i said he doesn't look happy so why would he want to stay in a situation where he wont prolly win more than 15 games this season....he always repeats how he is willing to stay if they start winning... do you see them start winning suddenly and end up a .500 team?

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Crossword

I don't see numbers, I see a plan. And as long as Chris sees that plan, and that plan becomes reality, I see no reason to worry.

And yes, that plan includes the Raptors being an above .500 team.

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MemphisX

So when he becomes a RFA and says he does not want to play in Toronto you think they will force him to take the tender offer? Get real. Next season is the last season that Toronto will be in control of the situation.

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VC_15

and you think the raptors will be an above .500 team any time before bosh's contract is up?

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adhir1

yess why not??? we have 3 awesome rookies, and a potential numbver 1 pick, so yes i do see this team getting better, will they? thats for time to tell

HK-47

bosh's contract will be up next year, right? if so, then i don't think the raps will be above .500 by that time. i just don't think that even a #1 pick in the 2006 draft would make that much of an impact. it's not exaclty a strong draft.

of course we might see some huge improvements from bosh & co. and significant contribution from the draft pick, and i would be proven wrong. but i don't think that's very likely.

Crossword

Want me to get real? Nah man, I already got real... how bout I give you some real instead... Bosh is under contract with us until at 2007, and in that offseason he'll be a RFA. The Raptors can offer him the most money, giving them the most leverage when it comes to signing him. The Raptors can also match any contract he receives, or at the very least, pull a sign-and-trade. That is if they even let it get to that point. They can sign the dude to an extension this coming summer and forego that whole thing.

Again, he can get the most money with the Raptors. Why would he turn down a max contract extension in 2006, and then again turn down a max contract in 2007? He won't take the tender because it's just plain stupid. If he threatens to take the tender, the Raptors will sign-and-trade him. That's the worst case scenario.

Either way, it doesn't matter if the Raptors are a .500 team or not by 2007. Like I said, I don't think about numbers with this team... if by 2007 he thinks the team built around him with draft picks and free agent signings is a good team, he'll stick with us. Babcock has already shown he won't go for any quick fixes or band-aid signings. This team is rebuilding, and with rebuilding comes crappiness. But it's not like the Raps are stuck in the mud. And that, my friend, is real.

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Chan

The year before they drafted Duncan, the Spurs were a bottom-of-the-pack team with an aging veteran star and a weak supporting cast.

And about the improvement- it's not what you/us/fans see, it's what Bosh sees. If he sees any sort of improvement (staff change/positive results in practice...dunno), he'll stay. I haven't even voted in case yall was wondering.

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adhir1

i put absolutely no merit in what u think is a strong draft class, nor would i on any other poster, would u have thought Charlie V wold be doing so well?? Did anybody say hey Channing Frye is going to be this good? Did anybody say Chris Paul is a lock for the ROY??? Most people were living with the fact that Marvin Williams, was a good choice for atlanta, even with all the swingment they have alreay!!!! The fact is the lottery can change a team forever, look at what happened to CLeveland, Denver, Toronto when they traded and picked up VC in 98! Did anybody think that the Chicago Bulls would become one of the best teams in history by picking Michael Jordan??? the answer to ALL MY QUESTIONS IS NO, nobody knows how good a player until they see him play, for all we know Rudy gay could be the next Scottie Pippen of the next Isiah Rider, so yes i do think wiht a number one draft pick the Raptors can make a full turnaround next year

nwt

He'll stay

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Bosh isn't a dumass. The Raptors are improving right now. They were pathetic in November and .500 in December. Bosh knows this too, and he also knows that the young players are just going to get better and we also have another high draft pick coming up. The team can only get better and they are already doing that. There's really no reason for him to leave when Toronto has a very bright future coming up very soon.

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crazyfan

especially when they might gey rudy gay or aldridige to help