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02-01-2006, 07:02 AM
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Re: Apparently, Aaron Williams is worth 2 2nd round picks...
I like the deal as well.
I don't think anyone can argue that they thought that we could get 2 2nd rounders for the A-Train.
Good luck Mr.Train.
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02-01-2006, 07:02 AM
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Re: Apparently, Aaron Williams is worth 2 2nd round picks...
Any deal is a good deal when you get rid of someone who doesn't play and don't take anything back.
But second round picks are useless - people love them on this board because everyone here likes to speculate about hidden gems etc.... but in reality second rounders are crap. I love how people list the rare finds like Michael Redd, Toni Kukoc, and Manu Ginobili but fail to mention the 28 other guys taken in those respective draft years that never set foot in the league.
How many useful second round draft picks have the Raptors unearthed? And please don't bring up Matt Boner as a shining example.
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02-01-2006, 07:23 AM
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Re: Apparently, Aaron Williams is worth 2 2nd round picks...
Birdman got tossed and NO needed a big man to fit into their rotation. Babs would have gotten the same call from NO and made the same trade.
Byron Scott knows and likes Aaron. Aaron is still a productive bench big man, but with our youth movement has no minutes here. He will be in the rotation in NO, book it.
The Miami second rounder this year is almost useless. Very late in second round of a weak draft. The Hornets second round pick is in 2009 !!!! That's four drafts from now. Could be worth something, but will we even have a roster spot to give a 2nd round steal?
The Hornets didn't have to give up any player on their roster. They are under the cap and because Aaron expires they don't even lose any cap space this summer. They lose nothing at all except a worthless pick.
Decent trade but hardly anything special.
Why didn't we take Lampe, or JacksonVroman, or Brandon Bass back to get a look at a young player with some potential. We could just let them walk at the end of the year if we don't like them. Still save big money for the remainder of the year.
At least we would know what we are getting instead of a mystery pick in 4 years.
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02-01-2006, 08:07 AM
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Re: Apparently, Aaron Williams is worth 2 2nd round picks...
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Any deal is a good deal when you get rid of someone who doesn't play and don't take anything back.
But second round picks are useless - people love them on this board because everyone here likes to speculate about hidden gems etc.... but in reality second rounders are crap. I love how people list the rare finds like Michael Redd, Toni Kukoc, and Manu Ginobili but fail to mention the 28 other guys taken in those respective draft years that never set foot in the league.
How many useful second round draft picks have the Raptors unearthed? And please don't bring up Matt Boner as a shining example.
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i said this b4 and i'll say it again. A-train will walk at the end of the season, and would u rather let him walk for nothing? or at least get some draft picks to at least have an OPPORTUNITY to get those rare finds in the 2nd round?
u make it seem as if Aaron was worth a first rounder..he definetly is not.
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02-01-2006, 08:13 AM
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i said this b4 and i'll say it again. A-train will walk at the end of the season, and would u rather let him walk for nothing? or at least get some draft picks to at least have an OPPORTUNITY to get those rare finds in the 2nd round?
u make it seem as if Aaron was worth a first rounder..he definetly is not.
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Too your point... I don't think he is worth 2 2nd rounders either.
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02-01-2006, 08:17 AM
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Re: Apparently, Aaron Williams is worth 2 2nd round picks...
I didn't know this but another bonus from this trade: Raps get a 3.3 mil trade exception that they can use next year to trade excess salary.
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02-01-2006, 08:50 AM
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I didn't know this but another bonus from this trade: Raps get a 3.3 mil trade exception that they can use next year to trade excess salary.
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Trade exceptions are typically used to take on more salary than you give up. With it we can trade a $4M player and the exception for rougly an $8M player. Having the exception only helps us shed salary if we keep it and let it expire after we've used it to move a contract.
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02-01-2006, 09:11 AM
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Since he was being so considerate, Embry was asked whether he might afford the same treatment to Eric Williams, who has also seen little court time with Toronto.
Eric said again last weekend that he hopes the Raptors will move him to another team so he might play more.
"We don't know," Embry said. "We're in a lot of conversations back and forth right now."
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02-01-2006, 10:13 AM
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Let's move Ewill for 4 2nd rounders since he is better than aawill.

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02-01-2006, 10:18 AM
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Re: Apparently, Aaron Williams is worth 2 2nd round picks...
Steven Hunter just got traded from the 76ers to the Hornets for 2 2nd rounders.
i would trade Aaron Williams for Steven Hunter in a second. I think the Hornets benefitted from that deal.
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Trade exceptions are typically used to take on more salary than you give up. With it we can trade a $4M player and the exception for rougly an $8M player. Having the exception only helps us shed salary if we keep it and let it expire after we've used it to move a contract.
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oops, You're right. Didn't think it through totally. But it is still valuable. We could use it in a trade to pick up someone for a lower paid player. I don't have any ideas, maybe a blockbuster for Rashard Lewis next year since he is opting out in 07'08, or a player like Nesterovic or Magloire.
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oops, You're right. Didn't think it through totally. But it is still valuable. We could use it in a trade to pick up someone for a lower paid player. I don't have any ideas, maybe a blockbuster for Rashard Lewis next year since he is opting out in 07'08, or a player like Nesterovic or Magloire.
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TE's can not be included in package deals. So we can't, let's say, trade Mike James/Pete/TE for Stojakovic.
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TE's can not be included in package deals. So we can't, let's say, trade Mike James/Pete/TE for Stojakovic.
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That's what I thought before but I think it has happened recently. It might've been with the Chicago/New York deal with Eddy Curry but I'm not sure for certain that was the deal.
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That's what I thought before but I think it has happened recently. It might've been with the Chicago/New York deal with Eddy Curry but I'm not sure for certain that was the deal.
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It's been a while since I read Larry's FAQ but from what I remember, TE's can not be included as part of a package in simultaneous deals. The "James/Peterson/TE for Stojakovic" trade is a hypothetical example of a simultaneous deal.
However, if the deal were reorganized as a non-simultaenous trade like this:
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James/Peterson/Sow for Stojakovic
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Toronto's TE for Indiana's 2006 first round pick (or player(s) who salary(ies) match the equivolant of the TE)
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Then it would pass the criteria according to the CBA, and the deal overall would look like James/Peterson/Sow/TE for Stojakovic/2006 1st round pick, when in fact it was a two-part, non-simultaneous deal.
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