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Benis007 · 02-28-2006, 03:08 PM

hey we coulda picked Gerald Green... who is now on his 2nd NBDL team.

Dee-Zy · 02-28-2006, 03:16 PM

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Lots of people including myself were worried about him playing the 3 but it's working out. He's a helluva rebounder from the 3, can hit the three-pointer (over 40% since being a starter I think), and causes some big mismatches because of his size.

Who called it first!?!?!?!?!

yours truly

clutchmoney · 02-28-2006, 04:38 PM

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I'm going to have to agree with you that Charlie has been arguably the second best rookie of the year (Frye and Bogut challenging, maybe even Felton with his recent play). Lots of people including myself were worried about him playing the 3 but it's working out. He's a helluva rebounder from the 3, can hit the three-pointer (over 40% since being a starter I think), and causes some big mismatches because of his size.

Graham and our first for Magloire would be a mistake. Magloire would be a good fit on this team, not cause he's a hometown boy, but because of his tough game. However, he's seeking a max contract next year and to me that seems ridiculous. Also, we have cap space this year to pick up a guy like Nene, Przy, or Nazr... not as good but a lot cheaper and wouldn't cost us any players or picks.

I haven't been impressed with Graham at all, but trading him when he's done nothing really would be a bad idea. Everyone is saying give him time, but when you draft a senior like him, you expect him to ball right away. That's why he was thrown into the starting line-up. He was supposed to be a stopper but hasn't been anywhere close. He's got no handles, an average J, kinda slow (I know he can sprint but watch him play) and mechanical, and doesn't attack the rim like he has the ability to. Lots of people here are defending him, which is typically since any fan of a certain team usually defends their players (everyone here did it for Araujo, admit it.. Brad Miller, give him more time, etc.), but he has shown only role player-type potential thus far. As I said before, you draft a senior and he better step up right away. You draft a 'defensive stopper' and he better be good at his job. Joey, unfortunately, hasn't done either.

great post. I don't really like Frye's game...he is soft as hell...plus he's been playing like ---- as of late....

who would you rather have Pryz(no off. skillz),Nazr(Soft) or Nene(injuries)?

VTRapsfan · 02-28-2006, 07:11 PM

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I'm going to have to agree with you that Charlie has been arguably the second best rookie of the year (Frye and Bogut challenging, maybe even Felton with his recent play). Lots of people including myself were worried about him playing the 3 but it's working out. He's a helluva rebounder from the 3, can hit the three-pointer (over 40% since being a starter I think), and causes some big mismatches because of his size.

Graham and our first for Magloire would be a mistake. Magloire would be a good fit on this team, not cause he's a hometown boy, but because of his tough game. However, he's seeking a max contract next year and to me that seems ridiculous. Also, we have cap space this year to pick up a guy like Nene, Przy, or Nazr... not as good but a lot cheaper and wouldn't cost us any players or picks.

I haven't been impressed with Graham at all, but trading him when he's done nothing really would be a bad idea. Everyone is saying give him time, but when you draft a senior like him, you expect him to ball right away. That's why he was thrown into the starting line-up. He was supposed to be a stopper but hasn't been anywhere close. He's got no handles, an average J, kinda slow (I know he can sprint but watch him play) and mechanical, and doesn't attack the rim like he has the ability to. Lots of people here are defending him, which is typically since any fan of a certain team usually defends their players (everyone here did it for Araujo, admit it.. Brad Miller, give him more time, etc.), but he has shown only role player-type potential thus far. As I said before, you draft a senior and he better step up right away. You draft a 'defensive stopper' and he better be good at his job. Joey, unfortunately, hasn't done either.

You're right about Villanueva and about the Magloire trade, but I have to disagree about Graham. He hasn't shown much, but I believe with all the athletic tools he has (to go along with a reliable jumper), all he needs to improve is his ballhandling to become a solid NBA scoring threat. I know he's already 23 or 24, but give him some more time to develop - he went from playing the 4 in college to playing the 2/3 in the NBA and that's a big transition, especially when you consider the speed of the NBA game compared to college. Conclusion: Joey G won't be a star, but he can be a very dangerous roleplayer in a year or two; maybe about 16/7 on 50% shooting with good D, not to mention some dunks that will fire up the crowd big time.

clutchmoney · 02-28-2006, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RaptorsCB4

Conclusion: Joey G won't be a star, but he can be a very dangerous roleplayer in a year or two; maybe about 16/7 on 50% shooting with good D, not to mention some dunks that will fire up the crowd big time.

16pts 7brds are not role player numbers.....those are some very optimistic numbers...you are basically calling him an Andre Iguodala....and i personally don't think ball-handling is his only problem.

**bigbabyjesus** · 02-28-2006, 08:24 PM

^ Who said ballhandling is his only problem?

He's got many things to work on, but he's got great physical tools along with a silky smooth jumpshot. Thats a good start.

icehawk · 02-28-2006, 09:44 PM

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who would you rather have Pryz(no off. skillz),Nazr(Soft) or Nene(injuries)?

Tough call. Right off the bat though, ALL these guys have had their problems with injuries. Secondly, I'd be glad to have any of these guys as our starting center as they are that much better than Sow or Araujo.

Joel would be my first choice, but he's expressed he wants to stay in Portland. I'm sure they'll somehow make room for him and they have the pieces to do it. If he goes out in the FA market, I'm sure he'll command the most out of this group since Nene hasn't played. This guy has the skill-set we need since Charlie and Bosh can take care of the points. That being said, I personally think he won't come here and that he'll cost too much.

Nene's supposed to come back before playoff time so hopefully we can get a preview to the extent of his injury. He's the youngest guy at 23 and has the most "potential". If we can get him at a discount, we should go for it. There was also that rumour awhile back of him heading to Toronto or us targeting him..

Nazr should be the best bang for buck. He's getting few minutes in SA but was looking really good when starting for the Knicks. This guy can produce if given the minutes. He's the oldest out of the bunch, though.

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Conclusion: Joey G won't be a star, but he can be a very dangerous roleplayer in a year or two; maybe about 16/7 on 50% shooting with good D, not to mention some dunks that will fire up the crowd big time.

A 16/7 swingman with good D and 50% shooting is more than just a role player. That's a sure-fire starter.

Anyways, Joey has way more problems than just handles. He's looks lost on the floor. He's not good on D at all. He has a hard time creating his own shot. He fouls too much. He's too slow for the 2. He's got the physical tools, but he just doesn't have that killer instinct or court awareness.

That being said though, we picked him up at 16 in last year's draft. I don't expect him to be starter material. Kirk Snyder, Troy Bell, Jiri Welsch... those guys are 16th overall guys so I think Joey's doing alright for himself.

Benis007 · 03-01-2006, 07:39 AM

I think that this summer will be very telling for the future of Joey Graham.

He has to improve on a couple different parts of his game.

VTRapsfan · 03-01-2006, 03:04 PM

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16pts 7brds are not role player numbers.....those are some very optimistic numbers...you are basically calling him an Andre Iguodala....and i personally don't think ball-handling is his only problem.

By roleplayer I meant someone who isn't the 1st or 2nd star on the team, but who contributes a lot. And ballhandling isn't his only problem, but if he worked to improve that he would be much more dangerous than he is now. IMO it's the only thing holding him back from becoming that 16/7 guy I talked about. Of course, he also needs improvement with staying in front of his man on defense (although he looked good guarding AI in one of the Sixers games I watched), extending his range, and a few other things, but that will just come as extra icing on the cake for the Raps. We drafted him expecting a slasher and defensive stopper, and he just need a little work on fundamental defense and some ballhandling skills to become that.

Dee-Zy · 03-01-2006, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RaptorsCB4

By roleplayer I meant someone who isn't the 1st or 2nd star on the team, but who contributes a lot. And ballhandling isn't his only problem, but if he worked to improve that he would be much more dangerous than he is now. IMO it's the only thing holding him back from becoming that 16/7 guy I talked about. Of course, he also needs improvement with staying in front of his man on defense (although he looked good guarding AI in one of the Sixers games I watched), extending his range, and a few other things, but that will just come as extra icing on the cake for the Raps. We drafted him expecting a slasher and defensive stopper, and he just need a little work on fundamental defense and some ballhandling skills to become that.

agree'd

although I do see and expect him to become our 2nd offense option in 2-3 years? Hopefully by next year, but I don't think he'll improve that fast.

aizn · 03-01-2006, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Benis007

hey we coulda picked Gerald Green... who is now on his 2nd NBDL team.

still never know, green is 19? he could still be a star in this league considering he has unbelievable talent.
oh, and on a side note, i juss realized that villa is the youngest player on our team. guess whose second youngest? that's right..Chris Boshhhh. damn thats a scary thought as to how good these plaers can become. lol

onecooljew · 03-01-2006, 04:32 PM

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hey we coulda picked Gerald Green... who is now on his 2nd NBDL team.

I was actually thinking this EXACT same thing last nite...
But i thought of it more positively...

The reason Green is buried in the D League is because the Celtics have PP, Wally, West, Allen, and Orien Green at the G positions. So there is no where for Gerald to play.

In the Raps case, the guard depth is not nearly as significant.
I would much rather see GG back up Mo P than E-Will.

Pg-MJ/Jose
Sg-Mo/GG
Sf-CV/Bonner
Pf-Bosh/Sow
C-AD/Hoffa

Is better than what we have rite now.

Chris Bosh #4 · 03-01-2006, 04:44 PM

I can see Graham being a Shane Battier type player. Good defense, does all the little things that make teams WIN! Although more athletic, and anyone who watches Battier play will tell you that getting a player like him with the 16th pick is very good.

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