clutchmoney

I'm just wondering what you guys think of him.. ever since we traded Jalen Rose, Charlie has upped his game...i didn't think he would do better as a starter...but he has proved me wrong....

i love this guys game....Just think about it....Bosh 6'11' Charlie V. 6'10' and Pryzbilla 7'...now talk about going BIG.....i wouln't mind trading our first rounder and Graham for Magloire....that would be amazing...he's a perfect fit with these other guys....he's a big banger down low...who doesn't really require too many offensive touches...

i honestly believe Charlie V is probably the second best player out of this last draft....Chris Paul obviously being #1.

and i think we can officially say that Graham is nothing more than a bench player....if that....he's got to find a niche in this league....because he's obviously not a starter.

Turkish Delight

Give Graham more time. I think it would be foolish to trade him and our pick away for Magloire, who's contract expires the year after. If we really wanted him, we could just go after him via free agency one year later. I'd rather go after Nazr Mohammed this off-season anyways.

Anyways, back to Charlie. I'm a huge fan, and I think he can do great things in this league. I was amazed at how so many people were quick to say that he and Bosh couldn't play alongside one another. Where are those people now? This guy can do it all, he has range, he can take it to the basket, he's a great passer. I think he'll be some sort of mix between Shawn Marion and Lamar Odom.

Babcock did good.

clutchmoney

i agree. good post.

however.......Nazr Mohammed??? He isn't really a quality defensive player/ he doesn't have a low-post presence about him(shot blocking ability is sorely lacking on this team)...also he's not a great rebounder....i would think Pryzbilla would be a better fit. IMHO

also man how much time should you give a guy ??...Graham is already 24/23...he's an older rookie....he's supposed to be more polished than what he is....the guy doesn't do one thing that really stands out....he's a step too slow because of his size....too much bulk in my opinion....he needs to lose weight in the offseason...maybe then he will be able to play at this level.

speedythief

^ Joey tested as one of the fastest rookies at the combine. I don't think he needs more speed, I think he needs to work on his first step and his ballhandling. That and getting low in his defensive stance.

clutchmoney

getting low in his definsive stance is going to stop people from blowing past him

wow only if everyone in the NBA knew about that

name me one thing the guy has shown you till now?

speedythief

Standing up straight and bumping people isn't stopping anyone from going past him, and that's what he's been doing. Getting into his defensive stance gives him the ability to move laterally to cut off driving lanes, draw charges, and force his man into help defense.

One thing he's shown? You're telling me you've seen nothing from him this year?

Team Mao

Graham, like fellow rookie Calderon, has unfortunately been the victim of Sam Mitchell's horrible lineup management. Both Jose and Joey see very limited minutes and when they get their minutes they are usually on the court with the likes of Matt Bonner, Loren Woods and Eric Williams. So everyone looks bad because Sam is an idiot. He knows that his bench is weak, so naturally he frontloads all of his most talented guys into the starting lineup leaving only rookies and scrubs as bench players.

With this limited experience and talent on the bench, perhaps the smart move would be to save guys like MoPete or Mike James for the bench, giving us legitimate scoring threats off the bench, that way we wouldn't get hammered every time the starters need a break. But hey,what do I know, my name's not Sam Mitchell.

kirk_2003

too soon to write off joey? i think he hasnt even scrape the surface yet... the kid still has unlimited potential in my mind... he is struggling right now imo because how he was brought up in college... he was a bruiser down low and played the 4 for ok. state... hence why his dribbling is weak, but i do believe his defense will come along with experience... he has all the necessary skills imo to become a successful player in the NBA, its just that he doesn't know how or when to use these skills; just look at the precamp stuff, strength, speed, jump, etc.. kid got it all down... but overall this summer is big for joey, he needs to go work on his game in the summer league and put major work on his dribble/handling skills... i do believe he can be a starter in the future, taking over mo-pete spot whenever his contract expires... 2yrs from now? too lazy to check HH... i do like the comparison of Maggette, how he keeps improving year after year... i see the same for joey, hopefully im right...

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clutchmoney

honestly....if there was one thing he did well you would have already pointed it out to me....instead
of asking me the same question

i don't see how you guys are defending Graham...blaming coach by saying he's not playing him with good players is a WEAK premise.....also comparing him to maggette is a joke....usually rookies show some flashes of becoming something....but Graham has been a dud...he's nearlly as bad as Hoffa

TRON

More than just moving into the starting lineup, I was more impressed with Charlie's smooth transition to SF, he has proved me wrong in being quick enough to guard perimeter players,

and the fact that we are getting nearly 8 rebounds per game out of the SF position bodes well for the future, especially when we eventually get a starting center

Joey now, is a developing asset and while he might never be the player we envisioned, he does have a nice stroke to build on (49% FG%)

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aizn

i hope villa continues to improve the way he's doing right now because i can see hes gonna b a great player in the not so distant future.

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icehawk

I'm going to have to agree with you that Charlie has been arguably the second best rookie of the year (Frye and Bogut challenging, maybe even Felton with his recent play). Lots of people including myself were worried about him playing the 3 but it's working out. He's a helluva rebounder from the 3, can hit the three-pointer (over 40% since being a starter I think), and causes some big mismatches because of his size.

Graham and our first for Magloire would be a mistake. Magloire would be a good fit on this team, not cause he's a hometown boy, but because of his tough game. However, he's seeking a max contract next year and to me that seems ridiculous. Also, we have cap space this year to pick up a guy like Nene, Przy, or Nazr... not as good but a lot cheaper and wouldn't cost us any players or picks.

I haven't been impressed with Graham at all, but trading him when he's done nothing really would be a bad idea. Everyone is saying give him time, but when you draft a senior like him, you expect him to ball right away. That's why he was thrown into the starting line-up. He was supposed to be a stopper but hasn't been anywhere close. He's got no handles, an average J, kinda slow (I know he can sprint but watch him play) and mechanical, and doesn't attack the rim like he has the ability to. Lots of people here are defending him, which is typically since any fan of a certain team usually defends their players (everyone here did it for Araujo, admit it.. Brad Miller, give him more time, etc.), but he has shown only role player-type potential thus far. As I said before, you draft a senior and he better step up right away. You draft a 'defensive stopper' and he better be good at his job. Joey, unfortunately, hasn't done either.

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