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narrator · 05-10-2006, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by speedythief

Yeah, Big Shot Bob.

And game-management skills. And, quite obviously, lack of defense, perimeter or otherwise.

VC_15 · 05-10-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by speedythief

Yeah, Big Shot Bob.

**speedythief** · 05-10-2006, 02:48 PM

Adelman could still be an option for our squad next year if he decides to take time off, which (judging by his coaching record) seems likely.

butr · 05-10-2006, 08:23 PM

I doubt it. I think BC has his own opinions. While Adelman is a name, I think BC has more creative ideas for coach than Western Conference castoffs. He is on the leading edge. Mitchell gets his chance to go .500. If he get there he gets an extension. If not, BC plunders the D'antoni staff that he has actually had to delay plundering due an agreement with Robert Sarver. I think he has to wait a year to hire anyone from the Suns.

Junkyard Dog13 · 05-10-2006, 08:45 PM

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Does Adelman do anything to help the Raptors improve defense or rebounding?

My impression of him is an offensive coach. The raptors are already a good offensive team. I just don't see this as a progressive move.

Good point lets give Sam until his contract runs out and lets see if we see considerate improvement in the team with a real C (Pryz/Nazr).
No real PG in the draft,no one worth of a lotto pick could trade down and take Marcus Williams otherwise Roy is the logical pick to be the long term Sg.
Might have to pay James.

step · 05-10-2006, 10:28 PM

If I were to make a coaching change, I'd consider Stan Van Gundy and PJ Carlesimo before I'd look at Adelman. Narrator brings up some good points, Adelman is good, but a defensive minded coach would do alot more for this team.

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Founder of the "Please Mr. Colangelo, draft Shelden Williams if we pick 5th or worse" Club.

Have to ask, why would you want more 4's?

**Peja Vu** · 05-10-2006, 10:38 PM

He's talking about taking the year off to let his son finish high school in Sac...

**speedythief** · 05-10-2006, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by step

If I were to make a coaching change, I'd consider Stan Van Gundy and PJ Carlesimo before I'd look at Adelman. Narrator brings up some good points, Adelman is good, but a defensive minded coach would do alot more for this team.

Did you get to see any of our games when Kevin O'Neill was the head coach? He is very much like Stan Van Gundy, Lawrence Frank, Rick Carlisle, etc.. It didn't work out. Besides, I think JVG is doing pretty well as a television analyst. It's probably where he should stay.

I am a fan of Carlesimo, though I don't see a big project like ours as one that he might consider if he enters the head coaching fray again.

step · 05-11-2006, 04:36 AM

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I am a fan of Carlesimo, though I don't see a big project like ours as one that he might consider if he enters the head coaching fray again.

Well he seemed to be interested in many jobs last year, he was linked to Orlando, Milwaukee and I can't remember who else, before they passed on him for guys more familiar to their franchise.
Plus with Colangelo at the helm, anything is possible.

**speedythief** · 05-11-2006, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by narrator

And game-management skills. And, quite obviously, lack of defense, perimeter or otherwise.

Here is Adelman on defensive toughness...

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But the Maloofs' contention left Adelman and his staff of four assistants not only unemployed, but offended, wondering why they were given mostly offensive players in the pre-Ron Artest era if defense was the owners' preference.

"We didn't have defensive players," Adelman said. "It's as simple as that. We haven't had defensive players the last two or three years. If you want a defensive team, then go trade for defensive players. Go get (players) like San Antonio has or Detroit has. I don't apologize for any of that.

"That team we had (in 2002-03) with Jimmy Jackson, Hedo (Turkoglu), Peja (Stojakovic), we had a lot of (defensive) flexibility on that team and we had the best (opponents' field-goal percentage) in the league. And we just didn't decide to go away from that.

"Our personnel changed. They let people go, traded people, and we had not as good a team as we had before. ... When we got Ron Artest (this season), suddenly our defense picked up and we started looking better."

http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports...15069830c.html

**ballocks** · 05-11-2006, 11:22 AM

i wonder where sam's critics are today. check that quote from adelman: "if you want a defensive team, then go trade for defensive players." of course, those who want to criticize sam are going to understand rick's quote, they will put it in context. so would i. but why would 'they' not
choose to put sam's quote in context ("can't teach defense", etc.)?

i think people generally know what sam meant- in much the same way that they know what adelman means now- but for some reason they choose to see one and not the other. hell, if you want to hate someone, you can hate him. you have proof. and if you want to love someone, you can love him. you have proof. what gets me is that said "proof" is (too) often the same for both.

peace

Junkyard Dog13 · 05-11-2006, 11:49 AM

as for drafting good defensive players it's a real strech taking Sheldon Williams to be the C of thiss franchise, could take him a few years, we need immediate impact players at C ( Pryz, Nazr, Nene)

we drafted the best defensive f in Grahem bt is raw 2 years and he should reach his full potential.

**shookem** · 05-11-2006, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ballocks

i wonder where sam's critics are today. check that quote from adelman: "if you want a defensive team, then go trade for defensive players." of course, those who want to criticize sam are going to understand rick's quote, they will put it in context. so would i. but why would 'they' not
choose to put sam's quote in context ("can't teach defense", etc.)?

Sam critic here.

Mitchell had two of the best backcourt defenders in the league with the added flexability of being able to use both MJ and MoP at multiple positions.

Eric Williams had a reputation of being a good defensive player before playing in a Raps uni.

And if Sam meant "You can't teach defense to rookies and young players", than sorry Sam because you can. My proof? Young players get better at defense everyday and some of that credit must be given to their coaches.

Granted Hoffa couldn't guard a totem pole and Rose was as big as a black hole as you can get, but one guy never played and the other was gone the last half of the season.

Last year, with Murray and Rose and Rafer, ok Sam had a point, you can't teach those guys. Maybe it's the old dog new tricks theory or maybe they just wouldn't play for Sam. This year's roster was purged of players that wouldn't play hard for Sam. We were all told about the commitment to bring in players that wanted to be here and they succeeded. Williams is the only guy who had beef this year and it was a playing time issue, however we were also told he always had a great attitude in practice.

What's Sam's problem?

He's got Mike James getting votes for All-NBA defensive team, MoP who's widely recongized as a proficent defender along with Bosh and Bonner whom we've all been told will do anything to get better and have both shown flashes of being good defenders. They just haven't been pushed/shown/guided into taking the next step. Hopefully, the happens over the summer and in training camps and Sam proves himself wrong, making my life a little easier.

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