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SkywalkerAC · 05-27-2006, 02:17 AM

First of all, we've got Calderon. We seem to forget how suprisingly good he was for a european rookie- major speed, good distributor, active on D. Him starting games for us next year is an option IF he has good backup.

Then there's Ukic. It sounds like BC wants him over. He's a scrawny foreign rookie but he's got skills and I'm guessing he'll be a viable backup on a young, uptempo team.

Mike James is still an option I suppose but he isn't looking like a very realistic one. I think he can tone it down and play good team ball on a good team and he puts a lot of pressure on opposing defenses but can he be a great distributor and will he come at a reasonable price? We're probably under-rating him at this point but that's to be expected considering some of the things he's said. BC is playing it tight and I don't think the other team in need of a PG that has cap space (ATL of course) is looking for a guy like MJ right now.

We do have plenty of trade options (including MJ of course) but how likely is it that BC trades for a true-blue starting PG? For some reason I don't see it but that's probably why I'm not a GM. Jarrett Jack is a rumoured trade option but he's not a starter at this point.

There is the draft- 2nd round that is. There looks to be a couple prospects around 35. Backups and NBDL (or europe) developers. Nice to keep padding the position, considering how our other positions are starting to stack up.

And then there's free agency... we've got money, if we don't resign James, for a roleplaying C and a point guard. The guy that comes to mind is Marcus Banks- crazy speed and good defense. He's not a great distributor but he can get the ball up the court in a hurry, a bit reminiscent of Barbosa I suppose.

Sorry for being so longwinded but what I really want to ask here is how comfortable you'd be going super-young at the point next year? Calderon/Banks/Ukic for example? It makes for a very young team and possibly another trip to the lotto but might it be worth it in the long run? Would you go for vet over Banks? Or MJ?

I'm VERY curious to see what BC does at the 1. Is he willing to be patient or is he going to solidify the position for a playoff run this summer? With a frontcourt that should dominate the ball, is he comfortable with a shooter at the 1 (MJ of course) that can spread the floor?

What do you think?

billfindlay10 · 05-27-2006, 04:52 AM

I like Jose, and I am very interested in seeing Ukic play with NBA players.

That being said we do need another option for this year at the point, and scrubs fron the "D" league will not cut it. I also don't want a 34 year old life long back up.....So what does that leave us with?
Who is truly available and afordable and has 4 or more years of solid minutes running a team, maybe not always a starter but someone who has played consistant minutes. Banks would be nice, but does he fit a leadership role, Jaric might be an option for a year or two as well. Players like Earl Watson(not likely), Anthony Johnson, and the guy Detroit traded to Orlando....drawing a big blank on his name....we had him on the team befor he went to Utah...come to mind.

We will just have to wait and see what happens

mo76 · 05-27-2006, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by billfindlay10

I like Jose, and I am very interested in seeing Ukic play with NBA players.

That being said we do need another option for this year at the point, and scrubs fron the "D" league will not cut it. I also don't want a 34 year old life long back up.....So what does that leave us with?
Who is truly available and afordable and has 4 or more years of solid minutes running a team, maybe not always a starter but someone who has played consistant minutes. Banks would be nice, but does he fit a leadership role, Jaric might be an option for a year or two as well. Players like Earl Watson(not likely), Anthony Johnson, and the guy Detroit traded to Orlando....drawing a big blank on his name....we had him on the team befor he went to Utah...come to mind.

We will just have to wait and see what happens

Anthony Johnson is one of my favorite players. He can really run a team (atleast he could a couple of years ago)

Team Mao · 05-27-2006, 06:23 AM

I say that we chill out and have some patience this offseason (see bandwagon below). There are only average point guards at best so no point in bringing in a FA. It seems like a sure thing that BC will bring over Ukic after his comments recently on the FAN. I say we give Calderon and Ukic a year to show the team what they can do, if either shows potential to be a starter keep them around, if not go hunting next year when the PG crop is hot.

As long as we don't spend too much money this year, we'll have a lot of capspace (about 18 mil+) next year (Hoffa, Ewill, Mourning, Peterson all come off the books). We could throw big bucks at Hinrich or Ford to bring them up North. I think that the Bucks might have to let Ford go if we offer somewhere around 8-9 per.

We shouldn't go into this offseason thinking that we need to solve everything. Patience people, patience.

billfindlay10 · 05-27-2006, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Team Mao

I say that we chill out and have some patience this offseason (see bandwagon below). There are only average point guards at best so no point in bringing in a FA. It seems like a sure thing that BC will bring over Ukic after his comments recently on the FAN. I say we give Calderon and Ukic a year to show the team what they can do, if either shows potential to be a starter keep them around, if not go hunting next year when the PG crop is hot.

As long as we don't spend too much money this year, we'll have a lot of capspace (about 18 mil+) next year (Hoffa, Ewill, Mourning, Peterson all come off the books). We could throw big bucks at Hinrich or Ford to bring them up North. I think that the Bucks might have to let Ford go if we offer somewhere around 8-9 per.

We shouldn't go into this offseason thinking that we need to solve everything. Patience people, patience.

You can put me on the bandwagon!

Team Mao · 05-27-2006, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by billfindlay10

You can put me on the bandwagon!

Sweet, are you a Hali guy or somewhere else in NS?

billfindlay10 · 05-27-2006, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Team Mao

Sweet, are you a Hali guy or somewhere else in NS?

Work in Halifax live 80km's outside the city....Originaly from outside of Ottawa!

MonsterBosh · 05-27-2006, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SkywalkerAC

I'm VERY curious to see what BC does at the 1. Is he willing to be patient or is he going to solidify the position for a playoff run this summer? With a frontcourt that should dominate the ball, is he comfortable with a shooter at the 1 (MJ of course) that can spread the floor?

What do you think?

On another thread Turkish Deli told me that he never heard anybody claim that the Raptors could make a playoff run next season ..... and took me to task for even suggesting that others on the forum would say such an outrageous thing !!

Perhaps you could expand on that thought .... a Raptor playoff run next season .... for my and Turkish Deli's benefit. How can you even think of such a thing as playoffs so soon given the state of the Raptors now?

If BC makes all the changes necessary, I wonder if we will have another 1 - 15 start to the next season regardless of who is thrown together to field a Raptor team. I don't think that BC will be so foolish as Babcock was when he predicted that the Raptors would not improve on last seasons record ... or will he to temper Toronto fan expectations for a winner ?!

Edit: His exact quote ....

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Originally Posted by Turkish Delight

When did he say that? No one here is saying that the Raptors are surely going to make the playoffs next year, but they are going to be better than they were last season, that's for sure. Why wouldn't they be? And if you look at the records of the bottom four Eastern Conference playoff teams from last year, the Raptors aren't very far off. Anything can happen, but I expect the Raptors to at least play some more meaningful games and be in contention for a playoff spot.

... and interestingly, he himself predicts that the Raptors can make a playoff run ... but doesn't elaborate ... other than having the expectation for "meaningful games" ! So now we have two forum members projecting the possibility of a Raptor's playoff run ... hmmmm .... !!!

Divine Spammer · 05-27-2006, 08:13 AM

I wasn't too impressed from what I've seen of Ukic.
You are making too much of him because Babcock supposedly stole him in the draft, IMO.
I don't think he's better than Calderon, not in distributing the ball, that's for sure.

I like Calderon, though. I presume that he can be a legitimate PG in this league.

And BTW, all those talks about patience are nice. However, we must start to build a good basketball culture here. That means to get used to win a lot of games.
The Atlantic is a weak division. I truly believe we are that close to fight with the mighty Sixers on the second place in this divsion and maybe to sneak into the playoffs.
We weren't too far at some stages of this season, so why not make an effort?
I don't mean to kill all our long shot plans, but I do think we need to try harder, that's all.

pmac34 · 05-27-2006, 08:15 AM

I hope we tank this season, BC knows how good next years draft is

you know a repeat of this season, fun to watch, but we lose

**Turkish Delight** · 05-27-2006, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MonsterBosh

On another thread Turkish Deli told me that he never heard anybody claim that the Raptors could make a playoff run next season ..... and took me to task for even suggesting that others on the forum would say such an outrageous thing !!

Perhaps you could expand on that thought .... a Raptor playoff run next season .... for my and Turkish Deli's benefit. How can you even think of such a thing as playoffs so soon given the state of the Raptors now?

If BC makes all the changes necessary, I wonder if we will have another 1 - 15 start to the next season regardless of who is thrown together to field a Raptor team. I don't think that BC will be so foolish as Babcock was when he predicted that the Raptors would not improve on last seasons record ... or will he to temper Toronto fan expectations for a winner ?!

Edit: His exact quote ....

... and interestingly, he himself predicts that the Raptors can make a playoff run ... but doesn't elaborate ... other than having the expectation for "meaningful games" ! So now we have two forum members projecting the possibility of a Raptor's playoff run ... hmmmm .... !!!

There is a difference between a playoff run and playing meaningful games down the stretch. It obviously seems that you have problems comprehending English.
Quit wasting my time.

billfindlay10 · 05-27-2006, 08:44 AM

Does anyone think that Dockery from Duke could turn out to be a solid point guard in the NBA?
I just have a feeling that he would be a great backup and spot starter for a long time. He does not do anything special, but he does things well....solid defender, good shooter, better handle than it seems, and he knows how to defer to other players. He could have put up huge #'s if he was not playing for Duke, but no one has him as a lock in the second round.

Thoughts?

**Crossword** · 05-27-2006, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Team Mao

I say that we chill out and have some patience this offseason (see bandwagon below). There are only average point guards at best so no point in bringing in a FA. It seems like a sure thing that BC will bring over Ukic after his comments recently on the FAN. I say we give Calderon and Ukic a year to show the team what they can do, if either shows potential to be a starter keep them around, if not go hunting next year when the PG crop is hot.

As long as we don't spend too much money this year, we'll have a lot of capspace (about 18 mil+) next year (Hoffa, Ewill, Mourning, Peterson all come off the books). We could throw big bucks at Hinrich or Ford to bring them up North. I think that the Bucks might have to let Ford go if we offer somewhere around 8-9 per.

We shouldn't go into this offseason thinking that we need to solve everything. Patience people, patience.

While I agree that we should let Jose and Roko show what they've got, I think it's foolish to go into the season with a two guard rotation when they're that inexperienced. We definitely need a third PG to bring them along and bail them out, and definitely a guy with more than one or two years in the league. If we trade for Jack then I could very well see us waiting out another year for Roko to opt out of his euro contract.

Anyway, I'mma jump on that bandwagon

MonsterBosh · 05-27-2006, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Turkish Delight

There is a difference between a playoff run and playing meaningful games down the stretch. It obviously seems that you have problems comprehending English.
Quit wasting my time.

Sorry for wasting yer time ... but your statement here:

" Anything can happen, but I expect the Raptors to at least play some more meaningful games and be in contention for

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