bigbabyjesus

I don't know how I forgot two of my favourite college players - Shannon Brown and Shawne Williams.

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The Mad Viking

I think you simply have to take Guillermo Diaz if he is still on the board.

Worst case scenario, he is an effective energy player of the bench. Guaranteed. How many guaranteed NBA players are there at #35?

Its likely that he becomes a very effective tweener 6th man player.

Best case scenario, he becomes the best PG in the draft. He has all the tools. He started hoops quite late. He could still learn to run a team.

He is also a fantastic fit for the Colangelo style.

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l2owen

we definitely have to take either Rodrigez or Rudy Fernandez, these guys look like studs who might suffer from the euro drop like roko did last year. hopefully one of them falls to us, these guys are gonna be fantastic in the future.

no_free_baskets

im very, very high on shawne williams....had him on the official draft prospects thread months ago as one of my top guys if we drop to 7 or 8 (i also like carney, reddick, n m williams if we dropped) but we can pretty much forget about him...i'll be pretty surprised if he doesnt go in the lottery...i really think he has borderline all-star talent...

i like what im reading about sh. brown, but i think ive read somewhere recently that he measured in at 6'1?? not very certain at all if i remember that correctly, but ummm, yeah, if thats the case, i think its a no brainer we'll have to pass on him too...

no_free_baskets

i wouldnt hold my breath waiting for gibson to become a traditional pg...its just not in some of these guys nature to play that kind of role...its too bad thou, cause if he did, or played something even remotely close to being able to distribute the ball properly within the flow of the offense, he really has the whole package offensively, skill set wise...very good 1st step and handles, can get to the lane n finish his shot, good at creating his own shot as well as being able to shoot the jumper, etc, etc.....this guy is easily a lottery talent, imo...especially this yr...

this guy could be a real steal if he indeed falls to the 2nd round especially considering its a great deal easier running the pt in the League then it is in college with all those zone defenses...basically with all the man d. that played at the next lvl, all he has to is get by his man (which hes capable of doing) draw someone elses defender n dish to the open man...simple...if he can just incorporate this into his game, we could see a really nice player at the next level...

no_free_baskets

yeah, youre right, there seems to be a lot of different plyrs that could fall anywhere from 20-40...the depth at latter end of the draft seems to be promising...

sene, if what we're hearing in terms of his sheer athleticisicm are true, i dont think will be there 2nd round...there are several other reasonably skilled big men that are said to be available in the 2nd round, (i.e sene, jones, j. williams, hollins etc...)but i really have a hard time believing that if they were any good that they would fall to the 2nd round, especially in lieu of the fact that skilled talented big men are at such a premium in the league...but then again, taft fell last yr to the mid-2nd round, n hes at least a very servicable big man, so i guess its possible...going the big man route is another intersting options for the raps...

jj barea, never seen the guy play, but he seems like another calderon type of player? he would have to be significantly better then calderon for him to justify taking him, which i have my doubts about...i like the other pg prospects better, simply because they offer a different skill set then calderon i.e d. brown quickness, good on the ball d, ability to hit the open shot, dockery, great d., gibson and washington, ability to get in the paint n score, n scorers in general, etc, etc...

no_free_baskets

i actually think that d. brown can come in start for the raps next yr, i honestly do...probably will write up a more detailed writeup on exactly why later, but needless to say, i think hes a very, very good fit for the raps...unfortunately, i dont think he'll be there at our pick, cuz i think either the grizzs or the cavs end up taking the guy in the 1st round...

oh btw, does anyone have espn insider??? i heard ford has a writeup on d. brown...im very curious to see what was written...

no_free_baskets

yeah, see this is another very good option for the raps in looking at at a potential big defensive. 3...i think i said before that i liked adams n brown before, but the more i think about it, jones and white seem to be the better options...i much rather see mo pete stay n guard the 2 spot as opposed to having move to the 3 spot n have either adams or brown guard the 2...

white interests me a lot because athleticism is just so huge at the 2 and 3 spot...i really think that if youre an elite athlete at the 2 or 3 spot with a reasonable bball iq, high motor and good work ethic, you can make yourself into a very, very good nba player...i mean 2 very good e.g are gerald wallace and ricky davis...both were very raw coming out of college...but they had that elite althleticism that ppl talk about n just made themselves into very, very good nba players...

white i dont know if he can, simply because ive never seen him play, but obviously hes super athletic...if he grades out well in those other areas i mentioned, decent bball iq, good work ethic, etc, he probably has more then a good chance to become a very nice player in the league...

Porn_Player

james white..... this cat damn he has got game. He appears on a dvd i have got in a section called 'future of flight' its basically dedicated to him this guy looked like the real deal and his hops were up with vinces. Anyone else got 'ball above all' if so am sure you can understand how much ability this dude has

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The Mad Viking

James White's stock will continue to rise. I would not be surprised if he is taken in the low first round, and I would be surprised if he gets to #35.

He has already proven his desire and ability to work and get better. And his athleticism is tremendous. And he is a pure 2.

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The Mad Viking

Just say no to Dee Brown.

He is extremely quick, he does have great handles, he can pass and plays very well in the fast break.

BUT!

His numbers collapsed last year when he didn't have Deron & Luther with him. His shooting percentages were terrifyingly bad. (36% from the floor, 52% from the arc, way too many trey attempts.)

He is supposed to be a guy who can score and pass, but in fact this is a lie. He can score OR pass. He never had a double-double. His four 10+ assist games came when he couldn't hit the backboard with his shot, and gave up shooting. Credit for that, but you want a guy who makes shoot or pass decisions based on what the defence gives you. A good point will have days with points and assists. Dee shoots until he decides he's off for the day. Then he passes.

He does not take it to the rack in traffic. (3 FTA /game.) He cannot in the NBA.

He will get posterized by about half the NBA point guards. Imagine him trying to defend Chauncey, Kidd, Payton, Arenas or even Delonte West. (He would be nice against guys like Iverson, Parker & TJ Ford) So while size isn't a dealbreaker, it is a concern.

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With the first pick in the 2010 draft, the ... select, Ricard Rubio of Spain.

Minstrel: There's no such thing as a "proven loser." Teams win and lose, not individuals.

narrator

Because they're both going in the first round.

Looks like Ager's stock is rising as well. Oh, well. It would have been nice to see him in a Raptors uni.

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mo76

Ya, some really great points. I think he is the probable pick if he is still there.

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