bigbabyjesus

I'm almost 100% sure the Clips would take it and run.. As for the Raptors perspective on that trade, I won't even say anything.

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icehawk

I like Livingston but give me a break. You wouldn't trade Livingston for ALL that? Now he's officially one of the most overrated players on this board. Last year's ROY runner-up, the top pick in this year's draft, and a 20/6 vet combo guard isn't enough? Wow... just wow.

The Clippers do this without even thinking.

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pmac34

Livingston is untouchable...
he has to much potential and clips really really want him to flourish.
he's vastly improved since last year and will simply be amazing if sam leaves next year

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pmac34

they wouldnt

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trick

2004-05:
30 games, 27.1 MPG, .414 FG%, .000 3PT%, .746 FT%, 3.0 RPG, 5.0 APG, 2.5 TOPG, 1.1 SPG, 7.4 PPG

2005-06:
61 games, 25.0 MPG, .427 FG%, .125 3PT%, .688 FT%, 3.0 RPG, 4.5 APG, 1.8 TOPG, 0.8 SPG, 5.8 PPG

I don't want to fall onto the "Shaun Livingston is so overrated" crew but I can't stand having people constantly talk about how he's the next greatest PG since Magic Johnson. Thus far Shaun has shown nothing but being a one-dimensional player (passer) and a questionable work ethic as a reason for his long stretches of injuries over a two-year span.

Will he pan out? Maybe. He is still young after all and has alot of room for growth. But he isn't playing like an all-star (yet) nor does it look like he'll come close to it in the near future so please spare the "Shaun Livingston is untouchable" crap.

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NeoSamurai

agreed....the guy has talent without doubt, however he isnt worth the amount of talent that previous posters have suggested....what i get a kick out of is the fact that he has only shown flashes of talent during his short career, yet people would be willing to bet the bank in order to get him....its ironic that if a Euro 7 footer were to perform the exact same way, people would already be using the "BUST" title alongside his name....just some food for thought...

PS: Trick, add me to the Bargnani club...please and thank you...

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JuniorNoboa

The #1 pick and the Clippers is not a good fit given Brand / Kaman.

Team Mao

They'll hold on to him claiming his vast potential and 'Magic Johnson-like' qualities (he's tall, black and plays PG) for a few years. Because of his age, this will work. This will drive up his value well beyond his actual worth, then they will absolutely rob a team in a trade.

That is my prediction for Shaun Livingston and the Clippers.

What was the deal again, Charlie, Mike James and the #1 overall. And the Clippers wouldn't take it? There are maybe 10 players in the league who wouldn't be traded for that package, and Shaun Livingston isn't one of them. At this point, I wouldn't trade Charlie straight up for him, Charlie has shown more, has played a full season and is only one year older.

VTRapsfan

I think you're overrating Livingston a little, but I agree that he has some serious potential. Like Calderon, he just needs to extend his range and get some more experience. Also, if we passed on Aldridge and took the Livingston trade, we could always sign a free agent like Joel Przybilla. Sure, the Thrilla Vanilla Gorilla isn't an All-Star center, but he blocks and rebounds and we'd have 3 potential All-Stars in Bosh, Villanueva and Livingston. Not to mention good roleplayers in MoPete, Graham, Calderon, Ukic, and Bonner.

I can't tell you how many potential lineups I've done in this forum, especially since we got the #1 pick...

PG: Livingston/Calderon
SG: Peterson/Ukic
SF: Villanueva/Graham
PF: Bosh/Bonner
C: Przybilla/Sow

Actually, that team reminds me of the current Clipper squad.

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mo76

Shaun Livingston to the raptors makes no sense. Its about as probable as tayshawn prince to the raptors.

adhir1

Why exactly does it not make sense to you? Some insight would really help....

mo76

hes a young player with potential that the clippers have no intention to move. Cassel isnt going to be around forever. I wouldnt have posted something so blatenly obvious, but you asked for it!!! What motivation would the clippers have to do this deal. Trade livingston and then look for a PG with less potential to develop behind cassel. There plan is to let livingston develop under cassel, not trade him when his trade value isnt even that high.

adhir1

so it doesnt make sense for the Clippers, but this isnt the Clippers forum this is the raptors forum, last time i checked....i simply thought that you meant it did not make sense from the Raptors perspective.

butr