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i think shaun livingston will become a sensational player in this league. he's already shown tools, but that's not it- he's already knocking on the door of potential. i wouldn't be surprised to see him as a star very soon (next year?).

anyway, with respect to the raptors getting him, i just don't understand- why would the clips even consider... anything right now? i mentioned it somewhere else but it probably bears repeating: the clippers are in an excellent position at the moment. i think their team is destined for competitive glory with the roster it currently has. why would they unnecessarily jeopardize that future? if i were them, i'd just... sit on it. no need to turn it on its head- or change direction at all.

after we get through the next few months, i think we'll be in a similar position (albeit at an earlier stage). the clips, though, have already made some strides and earned some achievements, and their future is looking mighty bright already (imo). even in the case of a 'good deal', i don't know whether i'd be on the trade market at all if i were elgin baylor. things is good- so why risk it?

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Flush

The clippers will only trade Livingston for a proven star, not more potential. They are on the brink of being an excellent team, and there is no value to trading an up and coming star for other unproven commodities.

The Raptors aren't able to provide ANYTHING to the clippers that will help them become the top team in the west. Even Bosh would be redundant on that roster.

I'd love get get Livingston, but it would take a miracle.

mo76

Ya, my point is it would never happen, so why worry about it. \

I hate fans that post unrealistic trades that favor their team also.

icehawk

When I said Shaun Livingston is untradeable, I said it loosely like I always said it. Bosh is untouchable but if we could trade him for LeBron or Wade I wouldn't hesitate. In that same manner, I believe Livingston is untouchable. The Clippers wouldn't trade him for fair value (which I think is either Villanueva or the 1st pick, maybe less). However, if a package like the 1st overall pick, CV, and James came along, they would jump all over it and find another young PG somehow.

It just bothers me that some people think Livingston couldn't be had for that package. Like someone else mentioned, there's only a handful or two of players who wouldn't go to us for that package.

Don't get me wrong though, a trade between the two teams is unrealistic at best. LAC won't give up Livingston for CV or the 1st (or in any combination package not involving Bosh) and TOR won't ante up any more than that.

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Benis007

i haven't watched very much of Livingston for no other reason than he plays for the Clippers.

From what I have seen, I like his game a lot. Of note is his great ability to get his nose dirty and rebound, I like to see that out of a PG. He is still raw, but i think he has the physical tools to make a difference in the NBA.

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open mike

Charlie Villanueva > Shaun Livingston

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Benis007

obviously...

but livingston was drafted straight outta high school and Charlie had a couple years at UConn.. at this point in their careers i don't think its a fair comparison.

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The Mad Viking

Shaun is a year younger, with one more year's NBA experience (sort of).

Shaun may be fragile. He has missed nearly half his games with injuries, and is very skinny. However, with maturity he MAY get more durable. CV3 played 81 games as a rookie.

Shaun is a GIFTED pg with tremendous court vision and passing ability. OTOH, CV3 scored 48 in a game as a 21-year old rookie.

I would still go for Shaun - he is even more special than a 6-11 guy with handles and trey-shooting.

But it is close.

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SMH at this thread.

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Team Mao

Perhaps God (by God I mean Shaun Livingston, but I guess thats obvious) should have gone to college then. I would say that two years in the bigs should be time enough, but I guess not. There is a year's difference in their ages, guess that's too much. Do people use the college excuse with all high school players or only when they haven't backed up the hype?

Wait... in those 2 years, Livingston has managed to play in only 10 more regular season games than Charlie. Wait.... Charlie has actually played more regular season minutes than Livingston. Maybe I shouldn't be so hard on the kid, although he's been in the league for a season more than Charlie, doesn't necessarily mean he's played more in the league.

People are quick to compare him to Magic, but if you look at Magic's stats as a 20 year old rookie, (not a 20 year old in his second year), they are unbelieve, 18,7 and 7 and shooting 53%. Shaun Livingston better start stepping up if people are going to keep calling him the next Magic Johnson, or God as people around this board seem to think he is.

Benis007

all true, agree 100%.

lets talk about livingston in a year or two though, he showed a lot this year in the playoffs:

7.5 pts / 4.8 *** / 4.7 rbs / .58 stl / .50 blk / 1.92 to in 27 minutes.

for someone with as much experience as a rookie, thats a solid line for a backup point guard in the playoffs.

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pmac34

hes not magic.
he will be putting up #s like 18/10ast/5rebs/2stl soon enough, along with great Defense,
and i think thats better than what charlie will bring, due to lack of rebounding skrillz

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Team Mao

Since we're wildly predicting stats with no basis whatsoever, I say that Charlie will average 20 and 10 before Livingston ever reaches that level. What's my basis for this? None, I just pulled those numbers out of my poop chute, similar to where you found your Livingston stats.

bootstrenf

based on his playoff performance, livingston's per48min projections come out to this:

13.5pts/8.5assists/8.5reb/1stls/1blks per 48 min

seems decent enough to me.