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pmac34 · 06-06-2006, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wavedashkoala

I'm a Morrison fan myself.

But would drafting him make CV expendable?
I really like CV at the 3 spot, he brings great rebounding (especially on the offensive board), and for the most part, I feel that he's a better 3 on our team (and arguably the better 3 over all tham AM).

However, AM is a great clutch player. He's the type of player that you want to take the last shot of a close game, and in that regard, may be a better fit for us. We need all the help we can get finish out games.

he could play the 2

The Mad Viking · 06-08-2006, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by l2owen

jalen rose has nowhere near the shooting ability, basketball iq, desire, leadership skills... very bad comparison.

Uh, no.

You're looking at Jalen after a lot of miles on the tank. And you're looking at ammo with love in your eyes. I'll give ammo an edge in shooting, but Jalen has a high hoops IQ, desire, and leadership skills. And he doesn't cry on the court, either. They are both very clever scorers, who can shoot the trey, or mid-range, and have an vast arsenal of interior moves that allows them to get shots off in heavy traffic. Both are clutch. Neither have great athleticism, nor are they good defenders. And to compensate for not being quite as good a shooter, Jalen is a much better passer.

We'll see how being the big fish in a small pond translates to the NBA. But this kid is absolutely not the next Larry Bird.

l2owen · 06-08-2006, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by The Mad Viking

Uh, no.

You're looking at Jalen after a lot of miles on the tank. And you're looking at ammo with love in your eyes. I'll give ammo an edge in shooting, but Jalen has a high hoops IQ, desire, and leadership skills. And he doesn't cry on the court, either. They are both very clever scorers, who can shoot the trey, or mid-range, and have an vast arsenal of interior moves that allows them to get shots off in heavy traffic. Both are clutch. Neither have great athleticism, nor are they good defenders. And to compensate for not being quite as good a shooter, Jalen is a much better passer.

We'll see how being the big fish in a small pond translates to the NBA. But this kid is absolutely not the next Larry Bird.

wrong again .

leadership skills... like the ones he showed while fighting with isiah thomas in indy? the only thing that he proved was that he COULDNT lead the pacers once the team was broken up after their eastern confrence runs at the title with larry bird ... the leadership skills that got him run out of chicago.. or the invisible leadership he brought to toronto? or maybe the leadership skills that got him on the bench in new york after a handful of games? jalen rose is a great character no mistake about it , but he is NOT A LEADER. in any way shape or form. hes the cool kid everyone wants to be around, 110 % yes. however he is NOT the guy who bleeds himself to death trying to win. adam is that type of person.

the crying thing is overblown, did you watch jordan break down after he wont the championship , when he came back after his fathers death? he layed on the basketball court face down with tears in his eyes. take the crying thing up with michael jordan . i dont care for the reasons, if the greatest competitor on earth can have break down moments on camera in front of the world adam should be allowed too at 21 years of age losing the biggest game of his life.

and by better passer do you mean having a humongous turnover rate compared to assists? Jalens carrer assists to turnover is 4 : 2.34 , thats a bit less than thats somewhere along 1.7 ast per to that doesnt say amazing passing skills . and his iq.. ergh did you watch the raptor games with jalen? when he would run down the court and jack up a shot with 3 defenders on him while Bosh is in the post screaming for the ball? and all this time i thought peopel got smarter with age....

jalen took more dumb shots that mike james, and even fewer of his shots went in. jalens game does not say IQ. it says selfish. what he was really smart at was attacking every rook that came his way. that he was good at. defensively hes a complete idiot. staying behidn to argue with the reffs while the other team was already up the court.

Jalens IQ is nowhere near Adam's at the same age, adam still has years of nba learning to do . desire and jalen dont go in the same sentence.. did you forget how mitchell had to bench him not once but twice to light a fire under his ***?? Jalen's desire and passion are nowhere near what adam brings to the table. its not even close. he has desire to whine , complain, and be in front of a camera. yes he does have desire to do that.

in the end jalen has nowhere near the iq of an adam morisson. nowhere the heart. he says the right things to the camera but that doesnt translate to good things on the bball court. who has jalen rose ever led ? his non existant leadership skills got traded after two years in denver to indiana. he wasnt the leader on the veteran indiana team with veteran heavy reggie miller, AD and DD, rick smits and larry bird that went to the finals. he certainly wasnt a leader in chicago, those guys were extatic at getting rid of him . toronto said good riddance to him only after a few years.

oh ps. larry bird cried when indiana was beat in the nba finals. he must suck too!!

l2owen · 06-08-2006, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by speedythief

What separates Morrison from Rose and Robinson is that he is a ****ing hard worker and has the right mindset for success. Robinson and Rose, besides being unenthusiastic defenders, were chronic underachievers after being drafted. Morrison is already an overachiever.

agreed . jalen rose had a fantastic physical skillset which he never utilized or used to his fullest potential because he was either just too lazy or he didnt want to, or he had other priorities . he cruised with his great skillset/physical talents . he could have been one of the greats,but he didnt even come close.

Adam on the other hand has limited physical tools which he has used to excel beyond even the most atheletic people in the ncaa to already become one of the best NCAA players to come out in the last decade. all that while being a type one diabetic. thats desire . thats heart. thats a guy i want on our team so all the athletic beasts can look at him and say , wow , if this guy can do it while being so limited ... then i could probably be even better if i worked just as hard. putting in that volcano of desire and passion in with the rest of our youth is probably the best thing we could hope for . its going to encourage and motivate our young guys. your leader has to be your best worker. adams workethic is unsurpassed by anyone in the draft class, or anyone on the raptors . CV could take some lessons from adam in the heart dept, put adams heart in cvs body and you have yourself a superstar. thats the kind of influence we need in our locker room. a guy who is gonna come in, shake things up , yell at people for dragging their asses, and they will appreciate it . if anyones played basketball on an organized level all i can say is that the best motivation comes from the peers on the court, not the coach yelling from the sidelines. i want the guy who has a lions heart in a limited body ( think of it as the rudy motivation. people see that hes not the most physically intimidating, heck hes even goofy looking sometimes, but they see that with heart anyone can do anything ). the raptors dont need mcgrady-like atheletes who have no heart. its a waste.

billfindlay10 · 06-08-2006, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by l2owen

agreed . jalen rose had a fantastic physical skillset which he never utilized or used to his fullest potential because he was either just too lazy or he didnt want to, or he had other priorities . he cruised with his great skillset/physical talents . he could have been one of the greats,but he didnt even come close.

Adam on the other hand has limited physical tools which he has used to excel beyond even the most atheletic people in the ncaa to already become one of the best NCAA players to come out in the last decade. all that while being a type one diabetic. thats desire . thats heart. thats a guy i want on our team so all the athletic beasts can look at him and say , wow , if this guy can do it while being so limited ... then i could probably be even better if i worked just as hard. putting in that volcano of desire and passion in with the rest of our youth is probably the best thing we could hope for . its going to encourage and motivate our young guys. your leader has to be your best worker. adams workethic is unsurpassed by anyone in the draft class, or anyone on the raptors . CV could take some lessons from adam in the heart dept, put adams heart in cvs body and you have yourself a superstar. thats the kind of influence we need in our locker room. a guy who is gonna come in, shake things up , yell at people for dragging their asses, and they will appreciate it . if anyones played basketball on an organized level all i can say is that the best motivation comes from the peers on the court, not the coach yelling from the sidelines. i want the guy who has a lions heart in a limited body ( think of it as the rudy motivation. people see that hes not the most physically intimidating, heck hes even goofy looking sometimes, but they see that with heart anyone can do anything ). the raptors dont need mcgrady-like atheletes who have no heart. its a waste.

I agree...but I do think that CV is going in the right direction. Adam might just be the guy to help him get over the top!

The Mad Viking · 06-08-2006, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by l2owen

wrong again .

leadership skills... like the ones he showed while fighting with isiah thomas in indy? the only thing that he proved was that he COULDNT lead the pacers once the team was broken up after their eastern confrence runs at the title with larry bird ... the leadership skills that got him run out of chicago.. or the invisible leadership he brought to toronto? or maybe the leadership skills that got him on the bench in new york after a handful of games? jalen rose is a great character no mistake about it , but he is NOT A LEADER. in any way shape or form. hes the cool kid everyone wants to be around, 110 % yes. however he is NOT the guy who bleeds himself to death trying to win. adam is that type of person.

the crying thing is overblown, did you watch jordan break down after he wont the championship , when he came back after his fathers death? he layed on the basketball court face down with tears in his eyes. take the crying thing up with michael jordan . i dont care for the reasons, if the greatest competitor on earth can have break down moments on camera in front of the world adam should be allowed too at 21 years of age losing the biggest game of his life.

and by better passer do you mean having a humongous turnover rate compared to assists? Jalens carrer assists to turnover is 4 : 2.34 , thats a bit less than thats somewhere along 1.7 ast per to that doesnt say amazing passing skills . and his iq.. ergh did you watch the raptor games with jalen? when he would run down the court and jack up a shot with 3 defenders on him while Bosh is in the post screaming for the ball? and all this time i thought peopel got smarter with age....

jalen took more dumb shots that mike james, and even fewer of his shots went in. jalens game does not say IQ. it says selfish. what he was really smart at was attacking every rook that came his way. that he was good at. defensively hes a complete idiot. staying behidn to argue with the reffs while the other team was already up the court.

Jalens IQ is nowhere near Adam's at the same age, adam still has years of nba learning to do . desire and jalen dont go in the same sentence.. did you forget how mitchell had to bench him not once but twice to light a fire under his ***?? Jalen's desire and passion are nowhere near what adam brings to the table. its not even close. he has desire to whine , complain, and be in front of a camera. yes he does have desire to do that.

in the end jalen has nowhere near the iq of an adam morisson. nowhere the heart. he says the right things to the camera but that doesnt translate to good things on the bball court. who has jalen rose ever led ? his non existant leadership skills got traded after two years in denver to indiana. he wasnt the leader on the veteran indiana team with veteran heavy reggie miller, AD and DD, rick smits and larry bird that went to the finals. he certainly wasnt a leader in chicago, those guys were extatic at getting rid of him . toronto said good riddance to him only after a few years.

oh ps. larry bird cried when indiana was beat in the nba finals. he must suck too!!

Neither bird nor mj cried when there was still time on the clock. Or stood around in backcourt where he gave the team no chance to pass it too him for a prayer, so instead Batista had to launch it.

You call Jalen selfish? You want to compare shot attempts to assists with ammo? Of course he took some questionable shots, especially in his last season with the Raps. That does not reflect on his whole career.

You can't compare what Jalen has already done in the NBA to what ammo did in the NCAA. It's not comparable. Jalen went to the NCAA final twice in 3 years in college. How many did ammo go to? Jalen was a 20ppg 4apg 6rpg NCAA player, and in his prime was BETTER than that in the NBA. Bleat all you want, but at the end of the day, I wouldn't put money on ammo having better career numbers than Jalen, or ever having a season to compare with Jalen best, 20ppg 6apg 5rpg as a 6-8 PG.

I hope you stick around a couple years on this forum so we can talk again.

So who is your "comparable" for ammo?

**speedythief** · 06-08-2006, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Mad Viking

So who is your "comparable" for ammo?

Does anybody have to have one?
Does it make it easier to draft someone if they mirror an existing NBA'er?
These comparisons rarely (never?) come true, anyways.

SkywalkerAC · 06-08-2006, 03:46 PM

hybrid of rip hamilton and dirk? seems about right to me.

as for whether he can play the 2 spot, if Charlie's on the other wing i'd be inclined to say no (though you never know what a coach can do with all that length) but alongside Mo or Joey he'd be fine of course. He shouldn't be covering the speedier wing on the opposiving team anyways.

MentalPowerHouse · 06-08-2006, 05:00 PM

I think he is the best player in the draft. He is also the safest bet out of all the top players. I mean safest bet in that there is no doubt in my mind this guy will annualy put up atleast 20-25 ppg every year, with the potential to be one of the top scorers in the league.

Best fit be damned, draft the superstars and sign the role players not the other way around. With Bosh and the Mustashe we will have the core of the team to fill with role players. Charlie V may be apart of that core too, or he could be traded, but there would still be minutes for him backing up PF/SF and can playing the 3 of them at the same time.

trick · 06-08-2006, 05:10 PM

The more I read about Morrison, the more I'm loving him.

But I'm a stubborn fool so...

**TDrake** · 06-08-2006, 07:36 PM

I'll jump on the Morrison bandwagon now - I agree he's the best player available, based on superstar potential, and that's where we should go.

With the Hoffa trade, we've all the bigs we can handle. Of course, there could be further trades before the draft, but you seldom trade big for small. I think BC may still put together a package of some of our 4's for a legitimate starting 5, but that's not easy to do. I can seriously see a trade involving CV in the works. Of course, if he trades the first pick, all bets are off.

Assuming we keep the first pick, I think Morrison is the kind of unique talent that can blend in with the rest of our roster going forward to give us a the kind of character team we want - one that'll challenge for the top spots year after year.

ATCQ · 06-08-2006, 07:40 PM

i hope the morrison bandwagon gets t-boned by an 18-wheeler. i absolutely hate morrison.

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