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06-10-2006, 09:21 AM
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Re: The Ammo bandwagon
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Originally Posted by l2owen
thats passing on a megastar based on need. you dont draft ON NEED. you draft on BPA. offense defense whatever . you take the best possible baller/player/soldier/star anything you want to call it. dont pass on a once in a generation player because youre looking for someone to plug the defensive hole. that is extremely short sighted.
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Since when is Morrison a once in a generation type player? He isn't even thought of as the top player in this draft and lots of people don't even have him in their top 3 or 4.
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06-10-2006, 09:24 AM
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Re: The Ammo bandwagon
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Since when is Morrison a once in a generation type player? He isn't even thought of as the top player in this draft and lots of people don't even have him in their top 3 or 4.
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He is far and away the top player in this draft, he's just not the consensus top prospect. Two different things.
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06-10-2006, 09:28 AM
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Re: The Ammo bandwagon
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He is far and away the top player in this draft, he's just not the consensus top prospect. Two different things.
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I'm a little confused as to what you mean by that. Do you mean that he is the best player right now, or he will be the best player drafted in the long run?
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I'll admit, I'm like the Raptors - I got WEAK FIRST DRAFTS!
So when I'm droppin a NEW FLOW
It's prolly not all that solid
At first post I might call it ARAUJO"
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06-10-2006, 09:33 AM
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Re: The Ammo bandwagon
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I'm a little confused as to what you mean by that. Do you mean that he is the best player right now, or he will be the best player drafted in the long run?
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He is the best player right now. I don't know who the best player will be looking back a decade from now, but who can?
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06-10-2006, 11:00 AM
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Re: The Ammo bandwagon
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He is the best player right now. I don't know who the best player will be looking back a decade from now, but who can?
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I don't disagree with you on that, but we all know the best pick is the one that contributes more in the long run and while that may be Morrison, I would venture a guess that Aldridge or someone else will be a better pro.
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"When I'm writing I repeatedly edit words and RE-WORK TRACKS
I'll admit, I'm like the Raptors - I got WEAK FIRST DRAFTS!
So when I'm droppin a NEW FLOW
It's prolly not all that solid
At first post I might call it ARAUJO"
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06-10-2006, 02:32 PM
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Re: The Ammo bandwagon
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I don't disagree with you on that, but we all know the best pick is the one that contributes more in the long run and while that may be Morrison, I would venture a guess that Aldridge or someone else will be a better pro.
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how is aldrige going to be a better pro when he couldnt even dominate the NCAA with his far superior athleticisim to Adam's? it doesnt make sense that all of the sudden lamarcus will dominate nbaers when he had a hard enough time dominating mediocre NCAAer.... while adam blasted anyone who tried to guard him straight to hell . lamarcus is just as old / experienced , has more athleticism , and has faced weaker defense at his position than Adam did at his . lamarcus was never double and triple teamed with as much ferocity as Adam was. all signs point to lamarcus NOT having more success in the nba than Adam .
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06-10-2006, 02:53 PM
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Re: The Ammo bandwagon
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how is aldrige going to be a better pro when he couldnt even dominate the NCAA with his far superior athleticisim to Adam's? it doesnt make sense that all of the sudden lamarcus will dominate nbaers when he had a hard enough time dominating mediocre NCAAer.... while adam blasted anyone who tried to guard him straight to hell . lamarcus is just as old / experienced , has more athleticism , and has faced weaker defense at his position than Adam did at his . lamarcus was never double and triple teamed with as much ferocity as Adam was. all signs point to lamarcus NOT having more success in the nba than Adam .
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06-12-2006, 01:18 PM
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Re: The Ammo bandwagon
Ammo has jumped to the head of the line in the DraftExpress and NBADraft mocks, now.
Don't care if it's because of trade rumours; still feeling it.
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06-12-2006, 04:19 PM
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Re: The Ammo bandwagon
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He is far and away the top player in this draft, he's just not the consensus top prospect. Two different things.
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I think thats clearly a stretch. He's an almost completely one-dimensional player, he's not even trying to pretend he's interested in playing defense. You can get away with being one-dimensional at the college level, its considerably harder to do so at the NBA level. Aldridge was on the Defensive All-America team for CollegeInsider.com. Thomas is a great shot-blocker, is very athletic and is a great rebounder. Roy can guard three positions effectively. Morrison might still be the top player in the draft despite being so one dimensional, depending on what a given team is looking for, but to say that he's far and away the top player is absurd.
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06-12-2006, 04:27 PM
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Re: The Ammo bandwagon
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I think thats clearly a stretch. He's an almost completely one-dimensional player, he's not even trying to pretend he's interested in playing defense. You can get away with being one-dimensional at the college level, its considerably harder to do so at the NBA level. Aldridge was on the Defensive All-America team for CollegeInsider.com. Thomas is a great shot-blocker, is very athletic and is a great rebounder. Roy can guard three positions effectively. Morrison might still be the top player in the draft despite being so one dimensional, depending on what a given team is looking for, but to say that he's far and away the top player is absurd.
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Redick won the Naismith and Wooden awards but you swap those two players, with Morrison getting the Dukie attention and Redick playing for the small-school warriors, and Ammo is winning both those awards.
Calling the USBWA co-player of the year and the Naismith/Wooden runner-up the best college player "absurd" challenges the meaning of the word "absurd" which, ironically, is absurd.
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06-12-2006, 07:06 PM
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Re: The Ammo bandwagon
Wow. If we pick Morrison, I'm killing myself immediately..
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06-12-2006, 07:16 PM
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Re: The Ammo bandwagon
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He is the best player right now. I don't know who the best player will be looking back a decade from now, but who can?
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I would probably call Morrison the best player right now. There are just too many guys with (much) higher upside. Adam is not going to get a hell of a lot better.
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06-12-2006, 07:32 PM
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Re: The Ammo bandwagon
This argument is being argued from two different perspectives.
1) Morrison as an NCAA player
2) Morrison as an NBA prospect
Morrison is arguably the best NCAA player in this draft, the relevant question IMO is; Is Morrison the best NBA prospect?
For once in my life I have no opinion. I'm very glad we have a capable GM to make this decision.
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06-12-2006, 11:08 PM
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Re: The Ammo bandwagon
More importantly, is Adam the best NBA prospect for our team?
He certainly could be; i think he's going to be a fine NBA player, around the Michael Redd level I'd guess.
But look at the primary factors for us-
1) Defense- I don't think Adam is going to be as bad as advertised but he's certainly never making an all-defensive team. We NEED a renaissance in the defensive end of the court and Ammo certainly isn't going to take us to the next level. If we're getting a player that will push Charlie to PF and Bosh to C, I want the guy to have freak defensive potential.
2) Offense- I guess he'd fit in, though I don't really see him as a true run and gun/dunk player. In the half court, he's always going to be money but will he ever maximize his potential when you're going to Bosh so frequently? I know Mitchell might not be here for much longer but he's point guard/frontcourt intensive and hasn't displayed all that much offball movement to this point.
That said, Morrison would be fine. I've been coveting a wing play-maker since Vince left. He fits nicely on the wing with Joey and Mo. He certainly can't be left to double team Bosh. He's got the heart and Bball IQ to fit in perfectly. I could certainly see us making playoffs if we were to draft him at #1.
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06-12-2006, 11:22 PM
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