Gkwizzle

how is he different from keith van horn ?

l2owen

ok people you have misudnderstood my comparison of adam to larry . obviously he will in no way be as good as larry bird. i am only comparing their defenses. larry averaged two steals a game by using his braing and anticipating where the pass was going to go . he had great anticipation skills. he didnt necessarily use his quickness. there is no reason for adam not to develop a good defensive iq and become a mediocre defender. his passing will get better, it does with age. hes a mental chess player, he looks at defences , picks them apart, and makes the right play . its only a matter of time before he learns nba offences and with experience, will become a much better defender. and team defense will ALWAYS be more important than how a single person plays defense.

team defense utilizes everyones strengths. it is a theory that when all the parts of a unit are functioning in tune, the team as a whole becomes a better functioning unit than if everyone was to just follow their individual goals. either way , i dont think adams defense is going to be too much of a problem . again if you play the right way , play team defense, and are always helping at the right time, there is no reason why his defense should be that much of a concern.

^^ i see this same question about kvh come up in almost every thread.... im beginning to think its just to stir things up with people . its been discussed to death.

The Mad Viking

Okay. So you are comparing a guy who made the NBA All-Defensive Second Team 3 times, who average 2 spg over his entire NBA career, to a guy who managed 65 steal in 94 NCAA games in a mediocre conference.

That makes it SO much better.

You're making it worse.

Well, one might suspect that such a hard worker who will "do anything to win" might have already TRIED to work on his defense.

Actually, when you look at his collegiate career, there are a lot of reasons to suspect that he will never be anything but a weak NBA defender.

You're dreaming in technocolor.

Defense, unlike offense, is only as good as it's weakest link.

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l2owen

huh how am i making it worse? have you ever watched larry play defense. his steals came of anticipating the passing lanes and knowing where the ball was going to go . that takes basketball smarts. if you know where the ball is going you dont need to be the fastest person on earth to get it. once adam gains more experience he will probably average 1+ steals per game. if you ever watched larry you would know that brains and heart was a far bigger game than his brawn .



huh how am i making it worse? have you ever watched larry play defense. his steals came of anticipating the passing lanes and knowing where the ball was going to go . that takes basketball smarts. if you know where the ball is going you dont need to be the fastest person on earth to get it. once adam gains more experience he will probably average 1+ steals per game. if you ever watched larry you would know that brains and heart was a far bigger game than his brawn .


and its obvious you have no idea what youre talking about when it comes to team defense.

this is a list of top teams in the nba and they seem to have no problem with their defense.
http://www.nba.com/statistics/sortab...ml?cnf=1&prd=1

miami - if jason williams can be a started on a good defensive team im sure adam can too.
clippers- mobley, cassel, good defenders? what? your weakest link theory has failed so far. and the clippers have been one of the top defensive teams all season.
chicago- a team thats good because they have a good defensive coach. everyone knows skiles made
defense a priority when he got to chicago and now they are an oustanding defensive team. that is what a team mentality will do for defense. everyone is accountable for their actions.
cleveland- none of their players are supereb defenders yet they play good defense . could it be that team play helps them play better defense?
golden state-baron davis a good defender? troy murphy is a strong link to you? If troy murphy can be a starter on a top 10 defensive team that blow your argument entirely out of the water .
dallas- no great defenders. mayeb josh and marquise are good. but thats about it . but yet play great team defense as a unit.
detorit- all about team defense. rich hamilton is not a good 1v1 denfesive player. yet the team is still one of the best in defense.

dont give me this bs like team defense doesnt matter and like you know what youre talking about .
wow your point about team defense is really bad.

The Mad Viking

Larry Bird was ****ing quick. And smart, and long.

Knowing where a ball will go doesn't help you steal it if you aren't quick enough to get there; and if you're not quick, you can't afford to gamble because you have no chance to recover.

Smarts alone gets you very few steals.

I'm curious what slow players you can think of that average 2 steals per game.

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l2owen

huh who ever said larry bird was slow? and who said adam was slow. larry wasnt slow. but he wasnt the best athelete either. neither is adam. stay with me here. both have amazing game instincts and both can use anticipation and their high basketball iq to play the passing lanes and get steals. adam may not average 2 setals per game , but he sure as hell has the ability to learn how to play the passing lanes, learn offenses and their schemes, and adjust his defense to better intercept the ball. and dont make larry sound out to be like some sort of super freak quick athelete. he wasnt. he was the best because of his heart and hustle, size wise he wasnt . larry was the best because he was smarter thane veryone else and beacuse he had more desire than everyone else.

speedythief

The scuttlebutt around the ACC is that Ammo might be the Raptors choice... but if ever there was a time to spread false rumours it would be now.

pmac34

ok.. now i may shock you all when i compare him to....
Melo!

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