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Babcock babysat Colangelo, and his thoughts on Araujo now
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"Bryan's a good friend of mine, I've known him since he was a kid," Babcock, now working as a consultant for the Minnesota Timberwolves, said at the NBA's pre-draft camp at Walt Disney World Resort.
"He was a camper at the (basketball) camps I worked at and my wife used to babysit him in Phoenix when he was little."
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"I had two guys ranked ahead of him -- (Andre) Iguodala and Jameer Nelson," said Babcock, who still thinks Araujo can become an effective NBA player. "But we went by position. I'm not a guy who goes by position, but I did on that occasion. The situation, the roster, what the needs were there (dictated the pick)."
Three weeks after he was fired, Babcock made a list of the things he felt he did right and the things he did wrong. But there was one item which didn't fit on that list, which stands out in reflection.
"You can't always control this, but you don't want to take a GM's job 21/2 weeks before the draft," said Babcock, who also had to hire a coach -- Sam Mitchell -- within a month of his hiring. "You either want to have two full months to prepare or get it after the draft. It was just a whirlwind, very difficult. That's not the best way to prepare for something."
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06-09-2006, 09:09 AM
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Re: Babcock babysat Colangelo, and his thoughts on Araujo now
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06-09-2006, 09:25 AM
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Re: Babcock babysat Colangelo, and his thoughts on Araujo now
I think Jack McCloskey was an influence too.
Oh well.
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06-09-2006, 11:01 AM
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So Babcock wasnted Andre Iguodala or Jameer Nelson huh? Interesting...
What say you, oh active Babcock bashers?
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06-09-2006, 11:19 AM
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Re: Babcock babysat Colangelo, and his thoughts on Araujo now
its easy to say that he ranked iggy and nelson ahead of hoffa now...look how the 2 turned out compared to hoffa, he jus doesn't want to admit he drafted a bust.
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06-09-2006, 12:32 PM
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its easy to say that he ranked iggy and nelson ahead of hoffa now...look how the 2 turned out compared to hoffa, he jus doesn't want to admit he drafted a bust.
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Excellent point. He could have had Luke Jackson on his radar back then for all we know.
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So Babcock wasnted Andre Iguodala or Jameer Nelson huh? Interesting...
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simple. he didnt draft them, he drafted hoffa.
end of story.
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06-09-2006, 01:25 PM
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simple. he didnt draft them, he drafted hoffa.
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Ding!
If Babcock had made a stand he could've drafted whoever he wanted. By allowing others to decide for him he essentially lost control of the franchise two weeks into his managerial tenure.
But it says more about our ownership team than it does about Rob. Hopefully the Araujo mistake is one that is humbling enough to parlay the total decision making process to Colangelo, with the board's approval being just a formality rather than a roundtable.
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06-09-2006, 01:28 PM
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its easy to say that he ranked iggy and nelson ahead of hoffa now...look how the 2 turned out compared to hoffa, he jus doesn't want to admit he drafted a bust.
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i dont think babcock would lie about this...i tend to think hes telling the truth because we did hear on draft day that t.o was trying to acquire a 2nd pick for nelson, but the fact of the matter is, coulda, woulda, shoulda, but he didnt/couldnt....
babcock apologists should keep in mind mitchell's favourite word: accountability. he made a mistake drafting hoffa, theres no two ways around it...he was in charge so he should take the blame...he knew what he was getting into when he was hired, so he should be held accountable no matter the circumstances...theres really no excuses...
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06-09-2006, 03:35 PM
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if anything this makes me dislike babcock more
if he wanted these guys over hoffa... he shoulda made a stand.. instead of just being the MLSE's puppet... they gave him the job.. he shoulda did his job even against their wishes
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06-09-2006, 03:38 PM
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So Babcock wasnted Andre Iguodala or Jameer Nelson huh? Interesting...
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He only had those 2 ranked ahead of hoffa. LOL
What a whiney little *****. Anyone with cable had Igudala and Nelson ranked ahead of hoffa. What does that prove.
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06-09-2006, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by no_free_baskets
babcock apologists should keep in mind mitchell's favourite word: accountability. he made a mistake drafting hoffa, theres no two ways around it...he was in charge so he should take the blame...he knew what he was getting into when he was hired, so he should be held accountable no matter the circumstances...theres really no excuses...
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Accountability.
Not just the Hoffa pick, but the Vince trade, and the Marshall no trade. It just felt when Babcock was around, very few thing went right.
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06-09-2006, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by no_free_baskets
i dont think babcock would lie about this...i tend to think hes telling the truth because we did hear on draft day that t.o was trying to acquire a 2nd pick for nelson, but the fact of the matter is, coulda, woulda, shoulda, but he didnt/couldnt....
babcock apologists should keep in mind mitchell's favourite word: accountability. he made a mistake drafting hoffa, theres no two ways around it...he was in charge so he should take the blame...he knew what he was getting into when he was hired, so he should be held accountable no matter the circumstances...theres really no excuses...
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Babcock was a rookie GM 2 weeks into the job, I can imagine he was under a boatload of pressure from ownership. He had no time to prepare for anything and relied heavily on his scouts' opinions of players in the draft. Do you really think that most rookie GMs are going to take a stand against the organization two weeks into the job? F-off, none of us would step up to management 2 weeks into a new job in a new organization.
Oh, and Mitchell's take on accountability. That's hilarious. Mitchell is the least accountable person in the entire league (minus the officials, but that's a different story). Not once has he come out and taken even partial blame for a loss. His idea of accountability is that everyone is responsible for something but never him. Mitchell talking about accountability.....classic.
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06-09-2006, 09:08 PM
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Re: Babcock babysat Colangelo, and his thoughts on Araujo now
Why are you defending Babcock so vehemently? He's not with Toronto any longer. I'm not saying he sucks or whatever, but it seems many Raptor fans are so quick to defend him.. even after he was let go. It's weird.
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