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Old 06-09-2006, 02:03 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Kris Humphries.....will he do anything for us?

Seeing humpries live many times here is what you are getting: An isolation power forward with no real post moves, fair to slow feet, slow developing jumpshot (easy to block), fair to poor defender that struggles in a structured offense. If toronto is a fly by the seat of their pants offense with little to no defense you will love him. It seemed like just about anybody could get by him. During this past years summer league he scored a lot. Until late this last year he would shoot the ball when his hands touched it and when he drove to the basket he was prone to turn the ball over. Not a good passer. With my previous evaluation it may seem that I am down on Humphries. He is talented. I just think his confidence was shattered because of Jerry and lack of playing time. I hope he does well for toronto.
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Old 06-09-2006, 02:11 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Re: Kris Humphries.....will he do anything for us?

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Seeing humpries live many times here is what you are getting: An isolation power forward with no real post moves, fair to slow feet, slow developing jumpshot (easy to block), fair to poor defender that struggles in a structured offense. If toronto is a fly by the seat of their pants offense with little to no defense you will love him. It seemed like just about anybody could get by him. During this past years summer league he scored a lot. Until late this last year he would shoot the ball when his hands touched it and when he drove to the basket he was prone to turn the ball over. Not a good passer. With my previous evaluation it may seem that I am down on Humphries. He is talented. I just think his confidence was shattered because of Jerry and lack of playing time. I hope he does well for toronto.
Well if you put it that way and all of that is true..........we got the better player in the deal.

Hoffa has no offense of his own other then hitting open 15 footers and a baby hook that he throws up too strong, although I will say he is a solid passer for a big. On defense his feet are like cement and has to be near the top five worst in mobility in the leauge. He'll never block any shots because he has an absolute pathetic 6'8 wingspan which also hampers his ability to rebound because unless he's in near perfect position(not often the case) he won't get the rebound because of his short reach and poor mobility. The question with Hoffa is never if he'll fit in but how long before everybody realizes he simply dose not have the talent to play in the NBA.

However if he'll make it anywhere in the leauge it would have to be with Utah because that's where he'll play with some sort of confidence after coming from BYU.

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Re: Kris Humphries.....will he do anything for us?

so Humphpries is a slight upgrade over Sow draft Aldridge.
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this trade brings me down for so many reasons. the fickle fans who decided to make hoffa's time more painful in toronto than it already seemed to be have now been afforded an out. hoffa's raptors tenure, now complete, was 100% dreadful from day 1 and he will never be remembered for having brought anything to the court. that's terribly unfortunate. if he develops into something useful in salt lake (which i imagine he probably will), the abovementioned fanbase will just assume it's a different player and will not learn from their awful judgments of the past- the same ones which have (imo) played a key role in hoffa's disgusting battle in this league to date. they'll just be ready to do it again in the future: take out their personal frustrations on a player who's having a tough time of it already. that won't help the team at all, but i won't make the obvious any more obvious.

kris humphries? robert whaley? i don't care right now. i don't think they'll ever put on raptors uniforms but i can't tell the future and i really don't care. i'm just... worried.

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Re: Kris Humphries.....will he do anything for us?

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Well if you put it that way and all of that is true..........we got the better player in the deal.

Hoffa has no offense of his own other then hitting open 15 footers and a baby hook that he throws up too strong, although I will say he is a solid passer for a big. On defense his feet are like cement and has to be near the top five worst in mobility in the leauge. He'll never block any shots because he has an absolute pathetic 6'8 wingspan which also hampers his ability to rebound because unless he's in near perfect position(not often the case) he won't get the rebound because of his short reach and poor mobility. The question with Hoffa is never if he'll fit in but how long before everybody realizes he simply dose not have the talent to play in the NBA.

However if he'll make it anywhere in the leauge it would have to be with Utah because that's where he'll play with some sort of confidence after coming from BYU.
Excellent post. People need to realize that Hoffa can not be a good bully, because of his short arms, and immobility.

The most intriguing skills of Araujo are finesse. Jump shot, passing... but that does not fit his image, so he will keep on failing as a bully (who can't bully) and who can't rebound.
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Re: Kris Humphries.....will he do anything for us?

kris humphries has more than a decent jump shot, so if u play him at the 4 or 5 that will draw his defenders closer to the perimeter, and allow bosh and charlie v to tear the post up, he will do a lot more for this team that hoffa, all hoffa did was turn the ball over and make mistakes. Hoffa was given such a huge chance after a dissapointing rookie year he still started most of the games last year, I'm so happy he's gone, he was babcocks boy and coangelo wants to rid the team of babcock stench. I'm predicting humphries averages 10pts a game. Raptors will make the playoffs this year, with 42 wins.
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Re: Kris Humphries.....will he do anything for us?

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this trade brings me down for so many reasons. the fickle fans who decided to make hoffa's time more painful in toronto than it already seemed to be have now been afforded an out. hoffa's raptors tenure, now complete, was 100% dreadful from day 1 and he will never be remembered for having brought anything to the court. that's terribly unfortunate. if he develops into something useful in salt lake (which i imagine he probably will), the abovementioned fanbase will just assume it's a different player and will not learn from their awful judgments of the past- the same ones which have (imo) played a key role in hoffa's disgusting battle in this league to date. they'll just be ready to do it again in the future: take out their personal frustrations on a player who's having a tough time of it already. that won't help the team at all, but i won't make the obvious any more obvious.

kris humphries? robert whaley? i don't care right now. i don't think they'll ever put on raptors uniforms but i can't tell the future and i really don't care. i'm just... worried.

good luck, hoff.

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Old 06-09-2006, 04:19 PM   #23 (permalink)
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this trade brings me down for so many reasons. the fickle fans who decided to make hoffa's time more painful in toronto than it already seemed to be have now been afforded an out. hoffa's raptors tenure, now complete, was 100% dreadful from day 1 and he will never be remembered for having brought anything to the court. that's terribly unfortunate. if he develops into something useful in salt lake (which i imagine he probably will), the abovementioned fanbase will just assume it's a different player and will not learn from their awful judgments of the past- the same ones which have (imo) played a key role in hoffa's disgusting battle in this league to date. they'll just be ready to do it again in the future: take out their personal frustrations on a player who's having a tough time of it already. that won't help the team at all, but i won't make the obvious any more obvious.

kris humphries? robert whaley? i don't care right now. i don't think they'll ever put on raptors uniforms but i can't tell the future and i really don't care. i'm just... worried.

good luck, hoff.

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Humpheries is a 4 that can rebound and will fit in a running game. He will be a good player off the bench for sure. Hoffa is a complete bum.
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Old 06-09-2006, 05:15 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Re: Kris Humphries.....will he do anything for us?

I think he'll contribute for us next year. He won't be playing center but I think he'll see some time with Chris and Charlie.

He came in at 238lbs and has probably put on some weight since then. If there's one thing we probably don't have to worry about, it's his strength.

He measured at 6'9.5 with shoes but his standing reach was only 8'10.5, which is a little low, only inch higher than Iggy's and a full two inches lower than Deng's. Oh well, at least he's got speed.

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Hoffa will be the primary backup for the Jazz next season. Will Humphries find many minutes off the bench? We'll have to see.
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Humphries is reportedly up to 250#. Hopefully not 'Pape Sow 250', but a legit 250 with big shoulders and long arms.

If he wants minutes he will have to play centre, which is what I think Colangelo believes he can do. If we're going to follow the size:skill ratio forumula that Bryan talked about having a mobile big man in the middle makes a lot of sense, especially if he is aggressive.
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this trade brings me down for so many reasons. the fickle fans who decided to make hoffa's time more painful in toronto than it already seemed to be have now been afforded an out. hoffa's raptors tenure, now complete, was 100% dreadful from day 1 and he will never be remembered for having brought anything to the court. that's terribly unfortunate. if he develops into something useful in salt lake (which i imagine he probably will), the abovementioned fanbase will just assume it's a different player and will not learn from their awful judgments of the past- the same ones which have (imo) played a key role in hoffa's disgusting battle in this league to date. they'll just be ready to do it again in the future: take out their personal frustrations on a player who's having a tough time of it already. that won't help the team at all, but i won't make the obvious any more obvious.

kris humphries? robert whaley? i don't care right now. i don't think they'll ever put on raptors uniforms but i can't tell the future and i really don't care. i'm just... worried.

good luck, hoff.

peace
I think you're over-reacting just a smidge.

This is a very minor trade, and likely a very fair trade. Hoffa could potentially contribute on the right team, and the raptors are not the right team. The same thing could be said for humphries.

I looks like both players have been moved to a team where they will be given more of an opportunity for success.

Hoffa is, very obviously, not a Colangelo type of player. He's been on borrowed time since Bryan was hired.

So far you haven't posed a very strong argument that this transaction is cause for concern. The sky isn't falling. it is a small trade.

If there is one thing we should be prepared for with Colangelo, it is that he will pull the trigger...and often. Be prepared for many more changes....some good and some bad.
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In agreeance with speedy; I can't see Humphries getting a decent run if he/we are not willing to use him at the 5.
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I understand with the success of Ben Wallace in Detroit people are thinking that players with big bodies but short in stature can play the five. Believe me, I have watched Humphries play too many times to imagine him doing anybody good at the five. He isn't a shot blocker, is only an average rebounder, easily outpositioned. Where humphries likes it is five to ten feet from the rim. He is best when someone else gets the rebound and he runs the floor. He is too offensive minded to be any good on defense at the 5 and doesn't have great post moves to be good at the five offensively. Toronto did not trade araujo and get a similar player in return. Humphries is looking to score evertime he touches the ball.
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