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SkywalkerAC · 06-13-2006, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by l2owen

hes got long arms true. but you have to take into account the whole proportion of the guys size. guys with broader shoulders can have shorter arms but can measure the same length as guys who have narrow shoulders but longer arms. besides a bench press is not indicative of how good a center is gonna play . hoffa lifted the most of any at the rookie combines , and that didnt really do him any good. either way it doesnt really matter how much a guy can press . whats more important for blocking is standing reach .

Hoffa didn't participate in the Chicago pre-draft so he never did the bench press test.

And Sheldon's standing reach is going to be mighty high. It isn't exactly his mind-boggling vertical leap that is blocking all those shots. And he's strong through and through, top to bottom.

l2owen · 06-13-2006, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by blowuptheraptors

Wow, all I can say is that your arguments are poorly based. WTF would scouts and the NBA camps put players through a test if it means nothing? I mean seriously. If you want the Raps to draft Aldridge, just say it, but to try and twist things to make the discrepancy mean less is just makes your view very transparent.

WOW . this from a guy who has a shelden sig?? if you want the raps to draft Shelden just say it , but dont try and twist things to make it seem like a bench press is going to determine who is a better player. it makes YOUR view very transparent.

and NO i DO NOT want LA on this team . my argument is that that using a single bench press measurement to determine how a player will succeed in the nba is pointless. ive been on the Adam bandwagon for more than a year now bro .

l2owen · 06-13-2006, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SkywalkerAC

Hoffa didn't participate in the Chicago pre-draft so he never did the bench press test.

And Sheldon's standing reach is going to be mighty high. It isn't exactly his mind-boggling vertical leap that is blocking all those shots. And he's strong through and through, top to bottom.

im pretty sure he did.. i heard he benched the most out of anyone? something like 300 pounds... its out there somewhere, it may not have been chicago but word of him being the highest bencher of the class did come out of somewhere.

butr · 06-13-2006, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by l2owen

WOW . this from a guy who has a shelden sig?? if you want the raps to draft Shelden just say it , but dont try and twist things to make it seem like a bench press is going to determine who is a better player. it makes YOUR view very transparent.

and NO i DO NOT want LA on this team . my argument is that that using a single bench press measurement to determine how a player will succeed in the nba is pointless. ive been on the Adam bandwagon for more than a year now bro .

I already have said it. Where have you been? It's in my frigin sig for god's sake. It's my avatar. It's above my avatar.

I never did say it makes him a better player, but it is one measure than explains why he is better suited to be a very good rebounder at the next level.

l2owen · 06-13-2006, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by blowuptheraptors

I already have said it. Where have you been? It's in my frigin sig for god's sake. It's my avatar. It's above my avatar.

I never did say it makes him a better player, but it is one measure than explains why he is better suited to be a very good rebounder at the next level.

ok we can all agree strength is important to be a good rebounder. obviously you need to be strong to bang with the big boys mos def. but dont discount a player only because he cant bench as much as another one in the post. there are way too many x factors invovled. things like heart, agility , IQ, core strength , lower body strength, iq tests.. i mean there is a psychological test and if LA scores higher than SW does that mean hes better suited to be at the next level? using stats is walking on a very grey and shady area. some things cant be measured, others can , some measurements may be more important than others while other measurements that dont seem like they are important actually are. i hope SW and LA both have success but , i just cant agree that a bench press is gonna make or break how good a player will rebound. its in the heart, its in the mind, and its in the body .. all three have to be sharp.

Benis007 · 06-13-2006, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Flush

If colangelo likes it....I like it

i agree 100%.

leave it to the pro's. I'm a fat guy that sat on the bench in high school, this guy has built a winner before.

he knows what he is doing.

butr · 06-14-2006, 10:06 AM

Papers are for fish and chips but hey.

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RAPS LIKE SHELDEN: More than a few weeks ago, I was a proponent of the Raptors, if they had a draft pick around No. 7 or 8, taking a long and hard look at Duke's Shelden Williams.

Had a chance to talk to Williams on Saturday in Orlando and came way quite impressed. With one problem: Williams swears he's an NBA power forward, with a face up game and good shooting touch rather than a centre who plays with his back to the basket and rebounds and defends and blocks shots.

I still think he's not a bad fit, just not as good as I thought a few months ago, if power forward is his mindset.

One thing that he did say was he met with the Raptor brass when they watched him — twice — work out in California the week before the lottery — and he said he was told they liked everything he did.

Don't count him out as a potential Raptor if they do deal back to the middle or the end of the lottery.

Doug Smith

Link

I wouldn't care what he says about were he sees himself. He can go down low or be outside and he can certainly run on the break.

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