speedythief

Post of the week.

rainman

right on, i said that weeks ago, funny how he has a good game and everyone is ready to jump on the bandwagon then if he has an off game you hear the naysayers. to me he's clearly #1 and they better either take him there in toronto or get equal value for him, and i dont think #4 and jarrett jack is equal value.

adhir1

i was wondering where u were at, wht is ur take on Mr. Bargnani? Try to be as unbiased as you can please....how do u think his game will translate to that of the NBA?

italianBBlover

Seriously @ Adhi8r1: I'm not Nostradamus, so I can't know if Andrea will traslate well or bad to NBA.

But I say: what about Aldrige ? Gay ? Morrison ?

Now look this: Morrison, Aldrige etc played 35 games Vs kids of their ages, while Andrea banged his *** for 70 games (italian league + euroleague) against 25/30/35 years old american and european veteran pros.
And if you think that here played dudes like Darryl Dawkins, Dominique Wilkins, Bob McAdoo, Vinny Del Negro and George Gervin ...

Then now he's playing like a veteran star in venues which would make an NCAA arena looks like a kindergarten ... and with thousand of eyes on him of fans, media, NBA scouts etc

You have seen the pictures of him with those monster legs, the videos in which he shows how a 7-1 can play almost like a guard, the comments of many scouts and observers ...

Said all

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trick

now you're on the bargnani badnwagon after all the crap you spewed out about how wrong it is picking a euro?

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Basically everyone on the Raptors board has jumped on the Bargani bandwagon, after his alleged height and weight were revealed. Still 90 percent of the people have yet to see him play, yet they claim to.

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the consensus would be us drafting morrison for them, and they would draft bargnani for us, and we'd get jarret jack as well. it all comes down to wat chicago or charlotte might do, because chicago could flat out screw us over..i highly doubt they'd pass on aldridge and take bargnani instead..charlotte on the other hand needs a scorer, so they may be looking at a brandon roy or a rudy gay..i don't kno if i'd risk it on draft night though. bargnani was supposed to be "our" number 1 pick, now he's showcasing why he should be everyone else's number 1 pick as well

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rainman

i've actually seen more highlights of this guy(bargnani) than i have of anyone else in the draft except morrison, who i got to see all of his games except maybe 3. i dont know if any guy has been scrutinized more than this kid and i guess that its because he's a foreigner.

Flush

I'm going to defend my position because I'm in the group of people you mention. I have seen him play, minimally. But no less than any of the other top prospects. I enjoy waching European basketball on RapsTV. I like the game.

As for the 'alleged' measurements, I have no reason to doubt their validity. They came from the very man the Raptors have reportedly hired as their assistant GM. If they are bogus he will let BC know....but I highly doubt it based on what I have seen of him.

Now people are saying 'who cares about the measurements?' and I understood that intitially but now I'm changing my tune. The Numbers ARE a BIG deal. Most people thought AB was likely 6'10 220lbs. A chris bosh type frame. His mobility at that size is impressive, but not freakish by NBA standards. It also meant he would struggle against bigger bodies, and likely wouldn't be a post presence.

Now it has come out that he is a legit 7' tall and 250 lbs (and I beleive it when you look at the width of his legs and arms compared to early photos) That means he is equal in size to Andrew Bogut. So this propels him into a freakish status at any level. He has the legitimate size of an NBA centre and the mobility of a small forward. He can shoot the lights out and could potentially bang in the post.

I understand that his post game is nowhere near what it needs to be for an NBA centre. But he has the legitimate size and athletic ability to succeed in that regard. If the reports are true, he just lacks experience. He has never been coached in the post before this season and has already shown tremendous improvment

So to those of you that think the numbers aren't a big deal. The kid you've been watching in those clips isn't Bosh's size he's Bogut's. And that is a big deal as far as I'm concerned

Team Mao

The measurements don't tell me that he can play the traditional low post centre position on offense, like some people are leading to when talking about low post game. What they tell me is that he's not going to get bullied by most centres in the league. So when someone plays a traditional centre on him, Bargnani is going to be able to embarass him offensively with his outside shot or quickness if he gets played tight. Then on defense, Bargnani has the size not to get pushed around. The net effect would be in our favour.

And besides, there are only 2 or 3 brute centres who have any offensive game in the league and one is 34 and another one is a heart attack waiting to happen.

ballocks

i certainly can't ignore games like this. considering everything/everyone involved, this type of performance cannot go unnoticed. he's in the finals, against men, his present day has never been more important, his immediate future is 'threatening' him in the crowd, the western world is taking it all in under a microscope, etc., yet he retains enough focus (presumably) to play well and... play really well.

don't know enough about andrea of course, since i don't watch the euroleagues, but if we're going to make any assumptions here, i'd suggest this one to be pretty safe: players who achieve such results in important euroleague playoff games are highly unlikely to become the next skita.

so that concern should be thrown in the trash immediately- provided it hasn't already been. andrea may not work as an nba pro, who knows, but tskitishvili is not a comparable. that fear cannot be justified anymore- it's time to move on.

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BaLL_HoG

Treviso and Bologna would destroy any NCAA team in a 5 or 7 game series. If AB was playing college ball on a team where he was the go-to guy, in a conference like the one where Morrison plays, his stats would be mind boggling.

a 20 year old who leads his team in points, rebounds and blocks in a finals game ,going against grown men is definitely impressive.

trick

Aldridge = Jermaine O'Neal
Morrison = Glenn Robinson w/ heart
Tyrus = Marion
Gay = Pippen
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Bargnani = Skita

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