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Team Mao · 06-16-2006, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BaLL_HoG

The best comparison of Bargnani ive heard is a Young Tony Kukoc (only right handed)

I like Sabonis in his CCCP years, but quicker and better ball handling. Sabonis was not so big in those days and in the clips I've seen, he was absolutely amazing.

rainman · 06-16-2006, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Team Mao

I like Sabonis in his CCCP years, but quicker and better ball handling. Sabonis was not so big in those days and in the clips I've seen, he was absolutely amazing.

sabonis was still 7-2 or more but you're right he was much more trim. i saw sabonis in the 88 olympics and conventional wisdom was he was the best center in the world and that includes the admiral, hakeem and ewing. bargnani sort of looks a little similar in the way he can take it to the hole and block shots but i dont think they are that similar, sabonis had all his best years before he came over to the nba, differant type players i think.

Team Mao · 06-16-2006, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rainman

sabonis was still 7-2 or more but you're right he was much more trim. i saw sabonis in the 88 olympics and conventional wisdom was he was the best center in the world and that includes the admiral, hakeem and ewing. bargnani sort of looks a little similar in the way he can take it to the hole and block shots but i dont think they are that similar, sabonis had all his best years before he came over to the nba, differant type players i think.

In terms of outside shot, taking it to the hole, and the way they block they are very similar. Like you said, Sabonis was taller, but other than the inch or two, their bodies are similar (or when Sabas was in CCCP, they were similar).
My buddy's Dad, and our basketball coach in youth leagues growing up, would also gush about Sabonis. Saw a few games on VHS back in the day, I think the two are pretty close. But it's really hard to pin down Bargnani at this stage, maybe I should give it a year in the league then we'll see who he plays like.

BaLL_HoG · 06-16-2006, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rainman

dont like that comparison at all(no offense) kucoc at the same age was a ballhandler who could find people, bargnani seems the type who is going to shoot first and ask questions later, in all the clips i have seen of him i havent seen him give it up yet. i would compare him at 20 to dirk,gasol, and maybe a detlef shrempf.

True his passing isnt up to par with that of Kukoc's , I guess I just cant get past how similar there first step looks to me, thats why I liked the comparison.

Bargnani to me also looks like he is willing to go inside and block shots and bang (somewhat) more then Tony or even Dirk.

frank_white · 06-16-2006, 11:17 PM

From what I've seem, Bargnarni's game has more in common with KG than Sabonis, if you ask me (although you guys are right about the similar builds).

btw How come we can only compare Bargnarni to Euro players, and how come we can only compare a shooter like Ammo to North American players? I find both the Dirk and Skita comparisons extreme and reductive.

BaLL_HoG · 06-16-2006, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by frank_white

From what I've seem, Bargnarni's game has more in common with KG than Sabonis, if you ask me (although you guys are right about the similar builds).

btw How come we can only compare Bargnarni to Euro players, and how come we can only compare a shooter like Ammo to North American players? I find both the Dirk and Skita comparisons extreme and reductive.

Well Morrison has frequently been compared to a shorter Dirk (see Draftexpress for this one).

**madman** · 06-17-2006, 12:09 AM

i like the fact that he had 6 blocks, that is really important not the points IMO, if he can get 1 or 2 a game in his first season then that would be a huge lift for us, and allow others like bosh and Charlie to cheat more on help D which would improve our D alot.

Also should we take him or Aldridge someone has to go dont they?
Bosh
Villeneuva
AB/LeMarcus
Bonner
Humphries
Woods
Whaley (might be waived)
Sow

thats 7 players (assuming Whaley gets waived) competing for around 4 spots, someone is gonna have to go, IMO Woods needs to go with Wahley

clutchmoney · 06-17-2006, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ballocks

don't know enough about andrea of course, since i don't watch the euroleagues, but if we're going to make any assumptions here, i'd suggest this one to be pretty safe: players who achieve such results in important euroleague playoff games are highly unlikely to become the next skita.

so that concern should be thrown in the trash immediately- provided it hasn't already been. andrea may not work as an nba pro, who knows, but tskitishvili is not a comparable. that fear cannot be justified anymore- it's time to move on.

great post. Skitza did not even get playing time(in europe), he was taken purely due to the fact that he could shoot during practice and had good size...also the whole euro craze wuz goin on at that time…seems like its cooled off...Bargnani is producing at the second highest level in pressure situations...plus he's friggin 20 …this guy is no way going to be a bust...he may not turn out to be an allstar...but he's definitely going to be able to produce as an NBA starter…

with that said I still think that Rudy Gay has the highest ceiling in this draft…he is built like a freak of nature…the only thing that seems to be holding this kid back is effort…

the thing is I think Charlie V. and Bargnani are very similar…having Bargnani doesn’t seem to be the best fit…then again we could trade one of them as they prove they belong in the NBA…nothing wrong with having assets at your disposal.

Divine Spammer · 06-17-2006, 04:43 AM

The spanish finals have also begun.
Tau lost 67-81 to Malaga.
Roko led the team with 18 pts.
I've seen no referrence to that.

Anyways, here's the box score

Zalgirinis · 06-17-2006, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Team Mao

I like Sabonis in his CCCP years, but quicker and better ball handling. Sabonis was not so big in those days and in the clips I've seen, he was absolutely amazing.

I saw some Sabonis pre-injuries games on tapes. What Bargnani is doing is great, but Sabonis was dominating outwhere. Going for 30 points and 15 rebs a game, even 50 points games. They are really not comparable, Sabonis was a true center with great post game, hooks etc. On the same time Sabonis could shoot as hell and his passing was already great (you saw that in the NBA). In defense he was like Mutombo in his prime blocking and intimidating everything. The only thing they have alike is their quickness, but definately Bargnani plays the other role.

italianBBlover · 06-17-2006, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Zalgirinis

I saw some Sabonis pre-injuries games on tapes. What Bargnani is doing is great, but Sabonis was dominating outwhere. Going for 30 points and 15 rebs a game, even 50 points games. They are really not comparable, Sabonis was a true center with great post game, hooks etc. On the same time Sabonis could shoot as hell and his passing was already great (you saw that in the NBA). In defense he was like Mutombo in his prime blocking and intimidating everything. The only thing they have alike is their quickness, but definately Bargnani plays the other role.

Agree

And hey ... in that photo Sabonis is playing against Milan ... look D'Antoni and Dino Meneghin on the right

aizn · 06-17-2006, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by madman

i like the fact that he had 6 blocks, that is really important not the points IMO, if he can get 1 or 2 a game in his first season then that would be a huge lift for us, and allow others like bosh and Charlie to cheat more on help D which would improve our D alot.

Also should we take him or Aldridge someone has to go dont they?
Bosh
Villeneuva
AB/LeMarcus
Bonner
Humphries
Woods
Whaley (might be waived)
Sow

thats 7 players (assuming Whaley gets waived) competing for around 4 spots, someone is gonna have to go, IMO Woods needs to go with Wahley

woods and whaley aren't signed next year..and i dont think sow is either.

aizn · 06-17-2006, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Divine Spammer

The spanish finals have also begun.
Tau lost 67-81 to Malaga.
Roko led the team with 18 pts.
I've seen no referrence to that.

Anyways, here's the box score

that's really good to see, except the 1 assist he had. at least he's playing with some former NBA players, ie casey jacobsen, luis scola. so he should get a feel for how their style of play is.

i also saw garbajosa on that boxscore, 13 points 8 rebounds, not a bad showing, although he did shoot 2/7 from 2 and 3/6 from 3. sounds like another bonner with more rebounding ability.

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