VTRapsfan

Yeah, but I think the general perception while they were in college was that Roy was a much better all-around athlete. I'm not saying Redick is slow, just that I expected Roy to be faster.

It's not the combine alone...It's the combine results, the revelation of Bargnani's measurements, and the comments from Aldridge that he doesn't think he has to improve on his weight in the NBA, citing KG as an example. If we draft him I want him to play center, and having him at center with his current physique is not much better than having Bosh there.

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no_free_baskets

i put athleticism as a premium in looking at how a prospects game translate into the nba but i dont think these tests serve as good indicators...every yr we get these funky as* results which we know simply arent true (e.g t.j ford not coming even close to being the quickest player in his draft yr etc, etc...)

but if you insist on using these numbers, i dont get how comparing aldridge to the other top prospects is evidence of anything...all those guys are 6'8 and below, so obviously they will test out better in these kind of tests...

it makes much more sense to me to compare aldridge relatively speaking to guys playing the same position??? if you look at his numbers relatively speaking, they fare actually quite well... he ranks higher then both obryant at (79) and sene, (who is supposed to be an athletic freak) at (72)...aldridge came in at (68)?? so is his test results really that bad???

anyways, i dont put that much stock into this test regardless...but i know from watching guy, its imo that hes more athletic then 80-85% of the bigs playing in the league right now...if you want to question his toughness (aka how soft you think he is) then even thou i dont agree, i can see that argument, but as far as his athleticism, there shouldnt be any kind of concern there...hes a very athletic player for his size...

Pain5155

wheres Bargani, i would expect a 0 beside the bench press.

Crossword

Just like I expect a 0 beside the quality of your posts.

VTRapsfan

LOL owned...but I do wish Bargs was in the combine. Even though the results are never perfect, they can give a general gauge of a player's athleticism. Just don't go by the overall rank, compare scores in individual categories.

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And now Aldridge is down to 7 on .net on the 19th. Top pick my arse. I know that's a smokescreen.

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PSSST He's playing in the Euroleague finals and leading his team to the series lead as the underdog.

Gilgamesh

Thanks bud. I was looking for that info.

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no_free_baskets

i dont really put much stock in this particular combine results, but ok, for those who think aldridge is unatheletic based on his combine numbers, lets compare his numbers to the supposed athletic freak, sene...aldridge had a higher overall score and the 2 categories that sene "outperformed" aldridge, the difference were negligable ( no step vertical jump diff. of 2 inches 3/4 sprint diff. of .05 sec)...so i guess if aldridge is unathletic, sene must be to, no???

i think watching this video, i would have to beg to differ: http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1358

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you got 0wn3T

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Aldridge has recently said in a Portland workout that they didn't do bench press at Texas because they emphasized speed and agility. He is currently working to improve his strength, and by looking at him at the Portland workout - he looks stronger, thats for sure.

And I don't care what Aldridge says - he's a center. Howard came into the league thinking he was a four, but has now accepted being the center.

Yeah, because we all know nbadraft.net knows what they're talking about..

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I would say that the overall rankings in the combines are the biggest mis-leader.

What you want to do is look at comparables, and look for key factors for certain positions, and balance that with productivity.

Aldridge did okay for a big. He is not particularly fast, strong, quick, nor a great leaper, even for an big. But neither were any of his results indicative that he couldn't play in the NBA.

Marcus Williams confirmed that his athleticism was as bad as his worst detractors alleged. That and his overweight status start to ring character bells for me, when added to his college problems. If he can't work out for this, what will he be like when he has a $2mil contract? I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole.

For PGs, you want to see speed and quickness. Their hops and bench press are far less important.

For scoring guards, you are looking for all-around numbers.

Amundson is faster and quicker than Rudy Gay! Another white guy busting the stereotype. He will now likely be a late first rounder, at worst an early 2nd.

Saer Sane's 3/4 court sprint is sick for a 7 footer. Even if it's below average overall.

Frans Steyn is going to make it in the NBA. He probably is a better prospect than Aaron Gray, although Gray may be drafted and Steyn may not. Steyn has very good feet for a guy 7-1.

JJ Redick's athleticism will help him more than his DWI hurt him. He's quick, pretty fast, and has decent ups.

My sleeper pick, Morris Almond, did very well. He will play in the NBA, although he might go the way of Marquis Daniels.

Hilton Armstrong is slow. His stock fell big time.

David Noel will get drafted and can be an energy guy and a defensive specialist.

Cedric Simmons locked up a lottery spot, when you combine his productivity with his length and his very good athleticism for a big.

Curtis Withers should get drafted. Productive combo forward (terrific rebounder who can score inside and with jumper) with legit NBA athleticism.

Marco Killingsworth should get drafted.(!) He has the same wingspan and reach as Shelden Williams; is quicker and faster than Shelden, but with an inch less ups; outplayed SW head to head in NCAA.
Paul Millsap is also a comparable athlete, with a little better standing reach and a little less wingspan. Pops Mensah-Bonsu has the same measurements as Millsap and is the best athlete of the four of them!

I don't know why Daniel Horton is not a draft prospect. He has 5.3 apg, 2 spg, 16+ ppg with 40% treys and 90% FTs in a tough conference. Plus he is a phenomenal athlete, with the same length as Randy Foye.

And here is a word of caution on combine results. Patrick O'Bryant and Aaron Gray put up extremely similar numbers. Anyone who watched Bradley's upset of Pitt would swear on everything they care about that O'Bryant was much faster and quicker. My read in hindsight is that he was more decisive and aggressive, which put Gray on his heels and then into foul trouble. Plus, he has longer arms, and while they may have the same very, O'Bryant has what the call "quick ups". Gray does not. They don't measure how long you wind up for your jump, do they?

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great post and good insight... i gotta agree with marcus williams the dude should be ignored for definate.

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