charlz

The Raptors could do really well under ford if he stays healthy - he could become a sensational point guard even if undersized. But Fords Health problems have to be a concern for one and all (plus those turnovers are a little concerning).

BUT...

The bottom line is BC was never going to "go forward" with Babs guy (charlie V) then critiques would not give him all the credit for the step forward.... its EGO people call it what it is.

I am not really slagging BC - you need ego and balls of steel to be a good GM (or anything) one thing is for sure BC has taken a forking axe to this team - he has sliced this thing up good... damn it needed it too!

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djmyte

Want to know about Ford's "injury" and current health status?

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtop...359&highlight=

Divine Spammer

Great read.

I agree with charlz on the ego issue.
I thought Charlie and/or Joey might be traded.
Bonner was a keeper babs brought from nowhere and re-signed after a decent rookie season.
Hoffa and E-Will both are a mess created by babs.

Anyways, BC came and declaired that he's going to cancel most of the things babs did. No trade he'd done was unpredictable. All canceled babs actions.
I'm not sure how much ego is in it such as his notions on the direction babs was leading this franchise.

The thing a like about BC's movment so far is the addition of veteran presence (Rasho and Garbajosa?) while keeping the team young (TJ Ford, two draft picks, Humphries).
And he's managed to fill the team needs while bringing in a lot of talent.

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I don't think it's an ego issue, there are many factors that one must look at to understand the trades. Araujo appeared to many to be a bust. Just because babcock saw something in him doesn't mean BC saw the same attributes. The Nesterovic trade made a lot of sense for the Raptors. Had the trade been done during the time when Babcock was still the GM, everyone would be praising Babcock for the same exact trade. This is one of the major difference between Babs and BC, BC is more capable of striking a trade whereas Babcock is too tentative at times, costing the Raptors many opportunities to improve as a team (The VC situation).

As for the CV trade, you would have to look at the draft as a whole. The draft class this year is weak compare to other years. AB was, in BC's mind, the best player available. Unfortunately for CV, the best player in that draft plays the same position as him, thus he had to go, and BC's ego had nothing to do with this situation.

Rhubarb

As always Sir Charlz, a mighty effort with the theory.

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why thank you.

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It does have a little to do w/ ego I think.

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lucky777s

Whether its ego or not BCol has a history of moving lots of players around, and is not a patient guy at all.

Trading a likely 20/10 PF away straight up for a speedy, but injured, PG with a questionable nba jumpshot seems very risky. And a little quick on the trigger. Especially with TJ needing a big extension almost immediately.

Gilgamesh

On paper it might look like an "ego" issue.

I mean look the guy traded two of Babs high profiled picks in Rafa and Charlie V.

But if you look at it as a basketball issue I think BC made the correct basketball decision to trade these two guys. Ford gives us something we haven't had since Mighty Mouse. Big Nes gives us a version of Rafa who has actually proved he can play.

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I dunno about ego but given the power, BC can do anything he wants. Babcock had to get approval from the board in order to make something happen. If Babcock was in this situation, would the board have approved?

speedythief

I think as we've seen with the Suns, Bryan is less concerned with natural positions than we are (for example). He's about amassing talent and 'size to skill ratio'.

Which is odd because this move is the opposite, with us giving up a great 'size to skill ratio' player who was an awkward fit for a small point guard who is a natural fit.

I think this trade demonstrates that Bryan is anything but stubborn or mechanical. I'm sure he has an ego but I don't know yet that it is something that affects his managing agenda.

Ownerofpueblo

not to reiterate the medical issue, but doesn't Steve Nash have stenosis or some other sort of back ailment as well?

I think talented pass first PGs have a bit of a tendency to have compromised vertabrae because theirs more so then any other player goes through twisting and bending through out the course of the game.

When obtaining a high contact, highly aware player like Nash, Ford, Livingston, Kidd, I think you have to be comfortable with a player that takes more spinal shocks then most players. Run the risk. Those teams are successful.

I'm becoming a raptors fan in the midst of these moves, and it's because you can't harp too much on player value if you are making a great basketball team. Try to keep in context that despite the talent that villanueva/bosh obviously has, you were the fifth worst team in the league last year. Barring injuries, you guys are on a pathway to success, and that's because your GM is willing to lose a bit of "player value" to put complementary parts together.

Go raptors...

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aizn

think about it though. he took the suns from a 20 win team to a 60 win team in one freaking year with a lot of trades.. could this be the same?!?!

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he was also responsible for that 20 win team in the first place.

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