butr

Don't buy the "bidding" on PS or TT.

mr hoopster

I don't like it, Hedo's contract is horrible, even worse then Alvin's.

CHRISBOSH4

No thanks.

spuriousjones

hedu's really underrated. his size to skill ratio is great. i don't think joey will ever have the feel for the game hedu has. if they can immediately wipe alvin off the books, that's a nice twist for orlando. hoopshype has them at $48,430,262. too bad they don't want james. joey/howard/darko is a bleep load of athleticism.

Austin Kent

Is there any purpose to this deal other than to get rid of another Babcock guy? I'm sorry, somebody sell me on Turkoglu.

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spuriousjones

turkoglu has a great feel fro the game. he can play multiple positions for us and will fit with a smart, fast paced game. he brings a lot more size than joey. he's kliek peja in that he's so proportioned you don't realise how tal he is -- hes as tall as howard, the ability to hit from anywhere on the floor (although joey's a good shooter) much better dribbling and a far more advanced set of passing skills.

its not so much getting rid of a babcock guy, its building basketball iq and increasing the size to skill ratio.

joey can improve and may even end up the better player but ht seems to fit in with "what we want" better

Mr_B

agreed

different_13

Anyone remember how when he and Peja came into the league, they were both listed at about 6'7, 6'8 ish?
Then one or two seasons later they got changed to 6'10 or so.
Don't trust it.

Still, good shooter, underrated player. Could be a good fit in Toronto.
Don't see why Orlando would want Graham, unless they're not keeping Ariza.
In fact, just don't see why they'd do the deal fullstop. They need 2 perimeter shooters on the floor, and Nelson's not consistant enough yet.
JJ Redick though.. and possibly McNamara too - they could be killer at 3's next year.

spuriousjones

i'm not going by turk's list height. watch the game. he stands the same height area as charlie. maybe a smidge shorter.

orlando's working to position themselves as "the" team next summer for free agents. they'll have the money, they have the tax advantage, they have dwight & co. moving turk and dooling for basically cap savings and a promising mid-draft 2nd year contract is a move looking to the future for them.

arcade_rida

I agree.

The Mad Viking

Great deal for us, but from the ORL perspective makes no sense whatsoever.

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icehawk

That's what I was thinking, too. This was a deal that BC 'supposedly' put on the table to Orlando and got rejected. Now Toronto is adding more or giving up, I guess. Pape and a 2nd won't do it but maybe Calderon might. Those who are saying it's a bad deal for TO need a head check.

A poster on realgm.com had a huge thread about a bunch of rumours. I'm not one to buy into that kind of stuff, but he was predicting stuff days before it was on ESPN. He had credibility from the mods and posters and was the real deal IMO. Sadly, the thread was deleted and he said he can't post anymore. It sounds kind of fake. Like I said, I'm the last person to believe that kind of stuff but he was accurately predicting things well before they were open to the public.

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Team Mao

I can see Orlando doing it for a few reasons:
-First and foremost, capspace for next season. If the rumours are true about the 'knee clause' in Alvin's contract, then he can be waived and with only half his salary to be paid. Orlando could complete the trade and then waive Alvin due to the knees and immediately drop 3.5 million in salary this year and next.
-With Nelson, Arroyo, and Diener there is no need for Dooling, so perhaps they want to get rid of his salary.
-Basically, before doing this deal they would be paying Hedo and Keyon $9.9mil combined going into the 2007/2008 season. If they pull this deal, then they will only be on the hook for $5 million. That's an extra 5 million to spend in the 2007 offseason, which fits with Orlando's plans to go big after that FA class. Not to mention Hedo's $7 million per year in 2008/09 and 2009/2010.

ballocks

rumours are rumours, sure, but there's almost no way i could see this one as being legit. i suppose part of it has to do with my hope that it's not legit, but it's all moot anyway since it really wouldn't make sense for either team.

the only reason i'm commenting on it is because i thought about our roster this morning and it's almost shocking: colangelo has turned this team on its head within his first, what, 4 months on the job? provided it all stays the same (and it won't) the number of holdovers we'll have from last year's team on this year's team is... well, chris, jose, mop, joey... maybe pape... maybe darrick (really stretching it there)... that's 6. i can hardly believe it. yeah, we might re-sign mike, but that would only make 7/15.

new pieces: tj, andrea, jorge, pj, rasho, hump, free agent #1, free agent #2 (?). that's already 7, and likely 8.

imo, we might be hanging off a very thin line already. i'm sure to be in the minority but i see stability- especially at this point, having consummated several key trades- as a crucial element in the plan. this team encountered some very significant events over the past year, and to effectively lose them by giving up almost all of the players who comprised the team over that period would be foolish.

yeah, we'll always have chris and he's been there from the start. we might always have mop. who knows, jose might be with us for awhile yet. but that's just 3- to also trade joey graham, who presumably holds 25% of the remaining value on that point might be going too far. in fact, i'm almost certain that it would. personally, i don't want to suffer through the same growing pains again, i think we've already improved our team enough with new pieces through player swaps and would rather ride it out clean from this point forward. put simply, if we're begging for more new players, i'd prefer free agents or salary dumps from other teams to any decisions involving the abovementioned 4 (chris, jose, mop, joey).

and i'll put my finger on one thing in particular: sam mitchell does not appear to be a coach for whom one can run through walls on day one. sam, as evidenced by his early tenure here, is rather a man who tends to grow on his teams. it's already enough of a challenge for him to include another 7 or 8 new heads in his locker room (not to mention the huddle, with new assistant coaches around the corner... i wonder). so almost without exception, i would not support trades for the sake of trades at this point. we can still get better, absolutely, i'm not arguing against that, but i'd prefer to make the attempt from within rather than without. we've probably done enough to change the face of this team; don't want to go overboard.

(and listen y'all, joey graham will whip your eyes into shape over the next few years, i promise. )

peace

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