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Old 07-12-2006, 09:30 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Toronto already has a big player in Bosh. TJ and Bargnani could turn out to be serious players as well. This team doesn't really need stars, they need a team.
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what assets do we have to trade for a premier player like rashard lewis?
That is what I'm wondering.
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Reminds me a lot of winning the #1 pick.....we didn't really do anything with it other than pick a player we could have had at 4 or 5 anyway.
a lot of people have made this assumption, but it's most likely not true.

our team stills lacks a true star, a go-to guy down the stretch....but like they said, Rome wasn't built in a day
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Have to admit i'm befuddled with these rumoured signings. While garbagosa, parker, and salmons are probably all great additions why in the world are we using our cap room on guys like this? Every one of these guys is an MLE (or less) type of signing.

We have the rare opportunity to sign or trade for players who are worth more than the MLE. Why not sign or trade for a premier player and get these guys (garbagosa, parker, etc) after we're over the cap???

One could even argue that we're signign these guys to acquire assets that we can trade later (why else are we signing ~30 yr old players with no nba experience), but i have a hard time believing they (BC and Maurizio) would lure europeans to toronto only to trade them later....would lose some credibility with future signings, i would think.

Reminds me a lot of winning the #1 pick.....we didn't really do anything with it other than pick a player we could have had at 4 or 5 anyway.

Seems like opportunity squandered.
Let me break it down for you since you can't seem to grasp the direction BC is spearheading, First thing he is adding depth to the raptors, second thing sure he is only signing players around 3-4 mil which is actually a good thing cuz they are parts or pieces that can easilly be moved. People here always seem to be complaining season hasn't started the squad has played a single game together even the pre-season is not over and yeah and please tell me a free agent out there you want to sign in max deal (al harrington)? he didn't even average 20pt a game at Atlanta since he average less than mike james so he should only get paid less than $6 mil
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Re: opportunity squandered

I like what Colangelo has done this summer. He's going to be underrated for it.

In essence we dealt redundant pieces and got a starting point guard and a starting centre. Potentially the best players at those positions for our franchise since Stoudamire and Camby.

The cap space has been used to make those deals, along with adding bench depth, and potentially another starter.

He didn't spend for the sake of spending but at the same time he didn't set the world on fire with under the radar moves.

I'm not in love with what he's done this summer but giving someone like Peja a $60M contract wouldn't have been a solution to our problems, either. He's been aggressive and thrifty at the same time with is an odd combination.
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Old 07-12-2006, 03:44 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I think that our depth, potential and overall talent have improved on this year's roster over last.
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Old 07-12-2006, 04:30 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I like what Colangelo has done this summer. He's going to be underrated for it.

In essence we dealt redundant pieces and got a starting point guard and a starting centre. Potentially the best players at those positions for our franchise since Stoudamire and Camby.

The cap space has been used to make those deals, along with adding bench depth, and potentially another starter.

He didn't spend for the sake of spending but at the same time he didn't set the world on fire with under the radar moves.

I'm not in love with what he's done this summer but giving someone like Peja a $60M contract wouldn't have been a solution to our problems, either. He's been aggressive and thrifty at the same time with is an odd combination.
what depth are u guys talkign about? Garbajosa/Humphries/Parker??? depth goes hand in hand with knowing what ur getting in player. THe guys weve acquired, and like rookies, we dont know what theyll give us. They could give us said "depth", but we dont know what there strong suits are what they bring to the team, and they could very well just be as redundant as the players we gave away.

Personally if you ask me, there are wayyy too many "hopefully's" with this team. and i dont know if even the great Brian Colangelo can pull this one off. IF he bats 1.000 with all the guys he has acquired, i will NEVER doubt him ever again, and will attain god status in my mind, and i wouldnt question if he trades Chris Bosh for Hoffa, but this team is sooo thin, that even if one of these "hopefullys" doesnt turn out this team will go down, and fail HARD.
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what depth are u guys talkign about? Garbajosa/Humphries/Parker??? depth goes hand in hand with knowing what ur getting in player. THe guys weve acquired, and like rookies, we dont know what theyll give us. They could give us said "depth", but we dont know what there strong suits are what they bring to the team, and they could very well just be as redundant as the players we gave away.

Personally if you ask me, there are wayyy too many "hopefully's" with this team. and i dont know if even the great Brian Colangelo can pull this one off. IF he bats 1.000 with all the guys he has acquired, i will NEVER doubt him ever again, and will attain god status in my mind, and i wouldnt question if he trades Chris Bosh for Hoffa, but this team is sooo thin, that even if one of these "hopefullys" doesnt turn out this team will go down, and fail HARD.
what about Diaw, Jones, House, Bell? Those players ring a bell, I like BC he does his homework he doesn't get pressure make deals that will not be beneficial to the club. You're already criticizing the players even before they set foot, just don't jump back on the bandwagon later on
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Old 07-12-2006, 04:59 PM   #24 (permalink)
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what about Diaw, Jones, House, Bell? Those players ring a bell, I like BC he does his homework he doesn't get pressure make deals that will not be beneficial to the club. You're already criticizing the players even before they set foot, just don't jump back on the bandwagon later on
WHen the hell did i jump off the bandwagon, i never knew questioning what the GM does, instead of just having blindfaith in what he does, is called jumping off the badnwagon, ive been riding with thsi team from day one, 95 my friends.
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WHen the hell did i jump off the bandwagon, i never knew questioning what the GM does, instead of just having blindfaith in what he does, is called jumping off the badnwagon, ive been riding with thsi team from day one, 95 my friends.

By questioning the raps moves in the off season your pretty much criticizing the team and since most of the moves are questionable....By the way i wasn't refering to your love or loyalty to the raptors i was referring to the moves, i don't want to hear from you later that those were excellent moves and you know it all along
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Finding the right players for the right money is SO important. Getting hungry Euros is a great strategy because by their standards 3-4 million is a big pay raise and to them it is not all about the cash. Unlike so many of these kids.
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I wasn't clear enough in my original post.....i don't mind the players colangelo has added. What i question is using significant cap room on MLE-level players. Its a strategy i question.
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I wasn't clear enough in my original post.....i don't mind the players colangelo has added. What i question is using significant cap room on MLE-level players. Its a strategy i question.
The roster was full of holes. If we were to sign a 'marquee' free agent, we might fill one hole and have to sign a bunch of crap players with little remaining money. We did not have Hornets or Bulls type of capspace this summer. And keep in mind that there will still be cap room going into the season enabling the team to pick up a player with higher salary once a team figures out that their plan isn't working.

Also, if you look at the makeup of the roster. You have Bosh as the star big man, Ford as the 'potential star' point guard and Colangelo has high hopes for Bargnani to become a star in the league. It seems that Colangelo is building around these 3 stars, and bringing in players with championship experience to play with these young guys. For months, BC has been praising European players and their 'team-first' attitude; the year I lived in Russia I watched a lot of Euroleague and that's what impressed me most was that the players played a very team-oriented,fundamental game of basketball. Now, I know that a lot of people aren't impressed with this style, they'd rather see individual play with lots of dunking. Personally, I'd rather have these guys come in who seem willing to accept being players within a team than guys like Peja, Al or Nene who are going to demand the ball and the spotlight along with an inflated contract. Colangelo's is building a team this summer, not just throwing together a bunch of talent and hoping it works(see: Isiah Thomas or NBA Live school of team management).
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Old 07-12-2006, 08:47 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Parker is one of the best players in the free agent class and at only $12,000,000, he is the best value.
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