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primetime007 · 09-13-2006, 11:28 AM

Wat do you guys think of Dorell Wright? He was drafted outa of High school and has potential. Not a physical player like Joey but more of a slasher and atheletic player. We already have a bruiser in Jorge and Kris that gives us a strong body to guard a more phycical player. Wat are your thoughts on trading for each other. Both haven't proved anythinh yet in the NBA and Miami already has Wade unless they are planning to play him at point when Shaq retires.

AdamIllman · 09-13-2006, 11:56 AM

I don't think that Miami would trade Dorell Wright. If it were on the table I think that the Raptors would jump on it based on Wright's unlimited upside and the fact that we have a similar player in PJ Tucker probably ready to take some minutes at the 3. Wright could be the third "star" to put this team over the top (assuming that one of Ford or Bargnani becomes a big time player).

**ballocks** · 09-13-2006, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by primetime007

Wat do you guys think of Dorell Wright? He was drafted outa of High school and has potential.

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I think that the Raptors would jump on it based on Wright's unlimited upside...

"potential" has value, does it? hmmm. "potential" is often cited when a player hasn't yet done enough to prove himself. "potential"/"upside" has been following this particular player since he arrived in miami. imo, some wannabe believers are bound to point out, "miami had a championship team, dorell had no opportunity" which is horrendously untrue. it's too simple to be true. it's an excuse, imo. i think the objective fan who's been watching the heat from afar the last couple of years would agree: this man is young, no question, but he's had his chance to translate some potential into results already- the results he's shown don't exactly scream off "kobe bryant". as fans, we love to believe in all players as potential superstars, but the # of superstars who come from that lot are absolutely dwarfed by the number who don't. that's simple fact. i think it's at least 100:1. dorell might be the 1, but it's far more likely that he's one of the 100.

of course, we don't need kobe bryant anyway. how can we not be excited for our team as it stands? i mean, we usually bring topics like this to the fore when we need some uncertainty to get the heart pumping or whatever- we have that in spades this summer. if you're not satisfied by the unknown defining this team already, you'll never be satisfied (imo). this trade, for one, would help you for about a week. why do we continue to resort to these ideas, first in general, and then this one specifically: when has "potential" won any games?

anyway, i'll just bounce off but i do find it frustrating- and not just because of dorell but also because joey is being heavily undervalued right now, imo. i don't think some people realize the value of his contributions- and he's not just potential, he's proven quite a bit of it already. he also fits this team in every way, i think, and i certainly wouldn't want to stand in the way of that. he's yet another player who chose to show up in toronto early this offseason, played summer league for us and is a great man to boot. man, it scares the crap out of me to even consider dealing him for dorell wright. dealing players for scouting reports horrifies me.

peace

southeasy · 09-13-2006, 02:03 PM

ummm considering dorell wright is one of my top 10 favourite players in the entire NBA and he hasnt had more then 2-3 starts or get anywhere near 5 mins in more then 10games in 2 seasons, his potential and athletisicm is amazing and i would DEFINITLY trade JG for him.

i even wanted a dorell avi, voted for it in the heat forums.

southeasy · 09-13-2006, 02:08 PM

btw dorell DOES get NO RUN in MIA.... and when he did (2 starts) at the end of the season he put up over 20 points and around 10 boards... he's a good player ballocks... it's not just all potential, he's out of high school and he's learning from dwyane wade.

i have NO problems with JG, but i would definitly trade him for dorell when i know someone like my boy PJ tucker can contribute just aswell as joey.

Pain5155 · 09-13-2006, 03:35 PM

Dorell is the future of miami, with payton likely to be gone after this season, dorrell should get plenty of time

undefined_playa · 09-13-2006, 06:28 PM

mia is stupid for stunting this guy's growth in the nba

AdamIllman · 09-13-2006, 07:12 PM

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"potential" has value, does it? hmmm. "potential" is often cited when a player hasn't yet done enough to prove himself. "potential"/"upside" has been following this particular player since he arrived in miami. imo, some wannabe believers are bound to point out, "miami had a championship team, dorell had no opportunity" which is horrendously untrue.

It's absolutely true. There isn't room for developing a young guy like that when your primary concern in winning a championship. Like south said when given the chance to play he was incredibly impressive. I'm not sure what you're basing your argument that he hasn't played well on. I don't think anyone ever said he was Kobe Bryant. I think it's quite clear that he isn't. That doesn't mean that he won't be a damn good player in the league, which I happen to think he will be.

southeasy · 09-13-2006, 09:54 PM

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It's absolutely true. There isn't room for developing a young guy like that when your primary concern in winning a championship. Like south said when given the chance to play he was incredibly impressive. I'm not sure what you're basing your argument that he hasn't played well on. I don't think anyone ever said he was Kobe Bryant. I think it's quite clear that he isn't. That doesn't mean that he won't be a damn good player in the league, which I happen to think he will be.

Yessir, the question isn't whether dorell will make it, or would we do this trade, it's would MIA, and no, they wouldn't... they would be stupid too after keeping him on the bench this long... When given minutes, he produces like he should, he lit up the nbdl, he lit up the games he played, and he will be amazing player in this league, dorell is my dude.

*looks at sig* I've said it before.

**Wade2Matrix** · 09-13-2006, 10:34 PM

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mia is stupid for stunting this guy's growth in the nba

He wasnt physically ready to play. Here's what I wrote about Dorell in the Bulls and Nuggets forums a couple of weeks ago when they were talking about Dorell...

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Unfortunately for Dorell, and fortunately for Miami, we traded for Shaq that same summer after drafting him. Miami went from a young team playing for the future, to a team that was ready to win now. Because of that, Riley has preferred to sign and play veterans who were ready to play over Wright who just wasnt ready physically.

He came to Miami built like a toothpick. He's gained about 20 pounds and should be ready to play this coming season. Last year he started the last two games of the season against Orlando and Atlanta and averaged 19 pts. 7 rebs. and 3ast.

His playing time next season depends on how he plays during the preseason. He'll get a lot of playing time in place of Wade, who will get a lot of rest.

Riley gave him some encouraging words before the summer

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"He met with me the other day," Wright said, "and he said, 'It's your turn, young fella. I can just see the next 10 years, you and D-Wade.' "

Like I said, he has a great chance to play meaningful minutes next season if he shows he's ready during the preseason.

He's in the final year of his rookie contract and I would hate to see him leave and flourish somewhere else like T-Mac did.

SkywalkerAC · 09-14-2006, 02:37 AM

pretty even here, as prospects, but I'll go with Joey as a player for the Raptors, this season, and beyond. you want a good comparison for Mr Graham? You know what I see? I see a young Anthony Parker. Do you want a guy that feels the need to create off the dribble when that's your point guard's job? (and believe me, in our offense it is) What you want is an open court horse that is money from midrange and the perimeter and can defend. Joey will contribute on the break and with his shot and with his defense. Wright has potential but we could sign equal prospects without having to trade, right now. Qwyntell Woods has a few more issues but he's no less the prospect; would we utilize either next season? no

cv3bandwagon · 09-14-2006, 07:08 AM

I see more Bobby Simmons in Joey Graham then Anthony Parker.

Parker is a pretty bad comparison for Graham because Parker has great handles and ability to create off the dribble........Joey really can't do much with the ball in his hands other then shoot the J or jump basicaly oher then a few post-up moves. But that's not a bad thign I guess because that's all we need him to do. Like a Bobby Simmons player we need him to be big tough and physical defender who can be flexible defensively while on offense making his shots when required and doing the little things on offense like setting screens, makign the extra pass and doing handsoffs. Basically the ultimate glue guy.

Dorrel Wright yeah he has potenial. He played very well against us last year when we beat the Heat but I think that Miami might have plans for him this season and a swap of prospects at this point in both of their careers probably won't happen. However if there was some other way we could get Dorrel Wright I'd make a run at him.

SkywalkerAC · 09-14-2006, 10:54 AM

yeah, i was a little drunk when i made that comparison. but was Parker always able to handle and create or did he develop that game in europe? i really just wanted to illustrate that joey is the kind of roleplayer we need right now. i'd like to develop a highflyer with extreme potential too; they're more attractive to bball heads like us who love the idea of developing such potential but that requires playing time that is going to be pretty hard to come by. i think joey is going to be ready to go this season but that's just me.

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