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martymar · 11-06-2006, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dee-Zy

Ok ok ok, yes I have an obession for CV, but I can't keep thinking after seeing those Marcus William's footage, BC really wanted him and from what I see right now, Marcus is gonna be real special, better than TJ? I don't know, what do you guys think?

Will AB be better than CV?

The way I see it, we could of have our pass first in Marcus William (if we traded down, not with the first pick overall of course) and kept CV.

Although I have to admit that MW falling so low is a blessing because he couldn't have had a better tutor in Kidd, MW will prolly become much better than he would had he not been drafted by Nets.

I really live CV's game and he will an all start but lets not forget that TJ ford was a sick player at texas, he was putting up triple double numbers for a point guard and raptors were really coonsdering drafting him or was trying to acquire an additional pick to get him. Would Marcus William be as good as him, maybe or maybe not but the infact in college level TJ ford made more of an impact and don't sleep on Andrea Bargiani he will be a special talent, wait for the second half of the year when mitchell takes the leash off him

Dee-Zy · 11-06-2006, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lucky777s

I still stand behind my picks in last years draft.

Bynum is quickly looking like a nice starting C for the Lakers. And Gerald Green certainly has way more upside than Joey at this point with his incredible athleticism. Neither guy is even 20 yet.

Take Jameer Nelson instead of Hoff the year before and 4 of our 5 starting spots long term are locked up. Big potential.

If we trade Jalen to NY then use the cap space on an impact wing player, or if we keep Jalen then pick Marcus Williams or Rondo as a third guard or trade bait. Could have kept MJames as a 2 guard for his scoring punch.

This year at 1 we could have gone with Bargs, Roy, or Gay and been happy.

Instead we have a fairly old team without big upside and we will have to replace Rasho, Parker, Garbo and possibly MoP pretty soon just to stay where we are.

GREEN DID NOT WANT TO PLAY IN TORONTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I get your point though but I think Bynum's improvement has alot more to do with Kareem mentoring him privately, from what I see of the raps, we cant' develop Bigs for ****.

Just so you didn't know....

lucky777s · 11-07-2006, 05:52 AM

Green didn't want to play in Toronto?

Maybe. or maybe not. He came and worked out for the Raps. Why? when re refused to go for many other teams. He has also said several times that he loves to stick it to Toronto on the court because they were one of the teams that PASSED on him.

And I think its a mistake for any GM to let some random comment from a 17 year old kid, or his parent, influence the decision of what's best for the franchise. He was the best talent out there with our second pick.

Every player that has come to Toronto has loved the city. Vince, Oak, Alvin, JYD, Jalen, Joey, CharlieV, Bosh, MoP. The only possible exception was AD, but that was really his wife. Even TMac enjoyed the city and fans. So go with that history of players loving the city. Have some faith in that. Plus we have the kid locked up for 3 years plus matching rights after that. As he matures here he would likely learn to love it more, especially if he got to play and grow.

Not to re-fight past battles. I am talking more about general philosophy of a GM than this pick. Take the best player.

Flush · 11-07-2006, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by lucky777s

Green didn't want to play in Toronto?

Maybe. or maybe not. He came and worked out for the Raps. Why? when re refused to go for many other teams. He has also said several times that he loves to stick it to Toronto on the court because they were one of the teams that PASSED on him.

And I think its a mistake for any GM to let some random comment from a 17 year old kid, or his parent, influence the decision of what's best for the franchise. He was the best talent out there with our second pick.

Every player that has come to Toronto has loved the city. Vince, Oak, Alvin, JYD, Jalen, Joey, CharlieV, Bosh, MoP. The only possible exception was AD, but that was really his wife. Even TMac enjoyed the city and fans. So go with that history of players loving the city. Have some faith in that. Plus we have the kid locked up for 3 years plus matching rights after that. As he matures here he would likely learn to love it more, especially if he got to play and grow.

Not to re-fight past battles. I am talking more about general philosophy of a GM than this pick. Take the best player.

When the whole family stood up cheering in elation at the JG pick that spoke pretty loudly to me.

lucky777s · 11-07-2006, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Flush

When the whole family stood up cheering in elation at the JG pick that spoke pretty loudly to me.

I can't find any video of that. The only draft one on youtube is GGs pick and his family is hardly cheering and elated so I doubt they were that happy not being selected at 17.

From Doug Smiths fan question blog:

Q: After watching the Celtics play, it's pretty clear that Gerald Green has the skills to excel in the NBA - whether or not he does depends on his attitude. My question: If you could play a mulligan on the 2005 draft, would you pick Gerald Green ahead of Joey Graham?
Mike Porto, Toronto

A: Hell ya. That’s a do-over anyone would do over. I still think Green’s not going to be great - good, but not great; and maybe he wasn’t as polished a year ago as Graham was but with this Toronto team? Man, he’d look good, wouldn’t he?

From GGs first press conference in Boston:

Q: ?Gerald, what does it mean to be playing so far away from home??

Green: ?I don?t think the area really matters as a player you got to show up every night and hopefully things will turn out the right way as long as you go out and give it 100%. I don?t think the area really matters.?

JuniorNoboa · 11-07-2006, 10:38 AM

Lucky 777's don't you think it's a little too dreamy to say we should have picked Nelson (who was viewed as a safe veteran pick at the time), and that at the same time say we should have picked youngsters like Green and Bynum.'

Too much picking and choosing, with counter philosophies for my liking.

Flush · 11-07-2006, 10:39 AM

I saw it. I remember it

Actions speak louder than words. Especially when those words sound as if your publicist whispered them into your ear.

ToddMacCulloch11 · 11-07-2006, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by madman

way to early to tell, its only 3 games into Williams/Bargnani's career them a chance to see what they can do first

what he said.

And TJ and Charlie are both still young too, who knows how much/if their game will continue to develop.

lucky777s · 11-07-2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JuniorNoboa

Lucky 777's don't you think it's a little too dreamy to say we should have picked Nelson (who was viewed as a safe veteran pick at the time), and that at the same time say we should have picked youngsters like Green and Bynum.'

Too much picking and choosing, with counter philosophies for my liking.

No, I don't see that as changing philosophies at all. We needed PG and C in the 2005 draft. That's why Hoff got taken. Because there were no decent FA C's we could go after so Babs (mainly McCloskey really) decided to go big. To me, Nelson was always the next logical pick as we needed a safe pick then and he was a proven winner/leader. Until draft night I actually thought either Harris or Gordon would fall to us.

But when VC quit on us it became a full rebuild and that should have freed up Babs to go for the homerun picks knowing that big cap space was coming up later to fill in with proven vets as these young guys matured. Bynum and Green still filled needs for us and made sense for us short term and long term. Rookie deals are cheap for the kind of talent you are getting at those positions.

We only needed one of the 2 (Bynum/Green) to become an all-star and the other to be a rotation guy. So Nelson, Green, Bosh, Bynum would be 4 of your top 8 players and a very nice nucleus with no duplication. This summer you add a Bargs/Roy/Gay to that top 8 and bring in a vet or two like Rasho/Parker to solidify the team and teach professionalism.

Babs was dead set against HS talent. He said as much in interviews. He probably knew he was on a short leash. That was his mistake. He didn't realize the gap in talent/potential was so big between the college guys and the HS guys. Turns out Joey was not really a safer pick than Gerald even though he was more mature and physically ready.

I think Colangelo made a mistake this summer using all our cap space and not getting an impact player. And he brought in short term fixes like Parker, Garbo, Rasho which will have to be replaced very soon. I think his plan is to trade these vets to contenders later for younger talent and picks.

JuniorNoboa · 11-07-2006, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by lucky777s

No, I don't see that as changing philosophies at all. We needed PG and C in the 2005 draft. That's why Hoff got taken. Because there were no decent FA C's we could go after so Babs (mainly McCloskey really) decided to go big. To me, Nelson was always the next logical pick as we needed a safe pick then and he was a proven winner/leader. Until draft night I actually thought either Harris or Gordon would fall to us.

But when VC quit on us it became a full rebuild and that should have freed up Babs to go for the homerun picks knowing that big cap space was coming up later to fill in with proven vets as these young guys matured. Bynum and Green still filled needs for us and made sense for us short term and long term. Rookie deals are cheap for the kind of talent you are getting at those positions.

We only needed one of the 2 (Bynum/Green) to become an all-star and the other to be a rotation guy. So Nelson, Green, Bosh, Bynum would be 4 of your top 8 players and a very nice nucleus with no duplication. This summer you add a Bargs/Roy/Gay to that top 8 and bring in a vet or two like Rasho/Parker to solidify the team and teach professionalism.

Babs was dead set against HS talent. He said as much in interviews. He probably knew he was on a short leash. That was his mistake. He didn't realize the gap in talent/potential was so big between the college guys and the HS guys. Turns out Joey was not really a safer pick than Gerald even though he was more mature and physically ready.

I think Colangelo made a mistake this summer using all our cap space and not getting an impact player. And he brought in short term fixes like Parker, Garbo, Rasho which will have to be replaced very soon. I think his plan is to trade these vets to contenders later for younger talent and picks.

Good reply. Still not sold on green, but Bynum looks to be a contributor for 12 years.

Kidd's Nets · 11-08-2006, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dee-Zy

Although I have to admit that MW falling so low is a blessing because he couldn't have had a better tutor in Kidd, MW will prolly become much better than he would had he not been drafted by Nets.

yeah because calderon is a much better mentor than kidd.

Kidd's Nets · 11-08-2006, 07:43 AM

imo, (though i highly doubt any raptors fans will agree w/ me)

CV>AB
MW>TJ

C'mon could've been pretty good

M-Will
Fred Jones
Morris Peterson
Villanueva
Bosh

plus since the GM would supposedly trade down to get a lower pick, you save money on ur first round rookie and probably have something in return for the 1st overall.

primetime007 · 11-08-2006, 08:02 AM

TJ >> MW
TJ was great in his college years, he was one of the best college players in that year.
was drafted low because of guys named Bosh, Lebron, Carmelo and Darko. I loved TJ when he played for Texas for some reason i see him near chris paul.

AB>>CV
same time last year Charliie vs same time AB this year

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