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Old 12-15-2006, 10:07 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Question: were you upset the way Tracy left Toronto?
Were you upset the way Zo left New Jersey?
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No I meant sg. I type really fast and carelessly ask anyone. I hate speeling and grammer. I only care about it in English where i got an A. What do you mean they are starting Parker.
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I think Toronto's hate of Vince has a lot to do with Canada's hate of America. I totally agree if Vince wasnt on the Raps they would face the same fate as the Grizzlies they would be moved. Vince did not quit on you. You quit on Vince.
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Old 12-15-2006, 10:08 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Just imagine, I was told that I did this bad, that wrong, …whatever, suddenly got so much trouble with anything.
If I was getting paid 12+ mil a year I will be too thankful to be thinking about myself.
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No I meant sg. I type really fast and carelessly ask anyone. I hate speeling and grammer. I only care about it in English where i got an A. What do you mean they are starting Parker.
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I think Toronto's hate of Vince has a lot to do with Canada's hate of America. I totally agree if Vince wasnt on the Raps they would face the same fate as the Grizzlies they would be moved. Vince did not quit on you. You quit on Vince.
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Old 12-15-2006, 10:19 PM   #33 (permalink)
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If I was getting paid 12+ mil a year I will be too thankful to be thinking about myself.
LOl, that's different story. For me, half that number would be enough.
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Old 12-15-2006, 10:24 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Everyone has bad games, VC had one tonight so no big deal here. He'll torch it up tomorr whoever they facing.
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Old 12-15-2006, 10:41 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Were you upset the way Zo left New Jersey?
yeah... also didn't like the way he left miami when he went to Jersey either. He's another example of a spolied brat
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Old 12-15-2006, 10:43 PM   #36 (permalink)
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I don't think so. VC could even get better pay from some other teams. That was his market value. He is free to ask to go if you don't like him and he feels very bad here.
Despite his market value, a professional basketball player should always try to play his best. If I'm not mistaken, the Raptors signed VC to a max contract. If VC couldn't do it out of being a sheer competitor, do it for the 12+ mil. Just look at Allen Iverson and KG. It is obvious that both players doesn't want to be where they are right now, but everytime that they step on the court, they are giving their 100% effort for the organization that they are playing for. Compare those 2 with someone like a Ron Artest or VC, then you can see why fans are angry.
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Old 12-15-2006, 10:55 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Despite his market value, a professional basketball player should always try to play his best. If I'm not mistaken, the Raptors signed VC to a max contract. If VC couldn't do it out of being a sheer competitor, do it for the 12+ mil. Just look at Allen Iverson and KG. It is obvious that both players doesn't want to be where they are right now, but everytime that they step on the court, they are giving their 100% effort for the organization that they are playing for. Compare those 2 with someone like a Ron Artest or VC, then you can see why fans are angry.
I totally agree with you
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Old 12-15-2006, 10:58 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Re: Vince Carter

I think that some fans just can't get over the whole incident because of the way Carter half-assed his way through the final days of his stay in Toronto. His conduct and play during that time lowered his market value significantly. Don't get me wrong, frankly, Babcock could have waited for a better deal or something. I don't know all the details and I'm not going to pretend to know. But Carter could have at least fulfilled the whole "being a professional" bit and at least played with some passion and some heart. Plus, there was the whole thing about how he tipped off the other team about which play the Raptors were going to run after the time out. That's beyond being unprofessional.

It's not that these people don't remember or realize that it was him who put the Raptors on the map and that he was the one who popularized basketball in a hockey-oriented town, it's just that it's always disappointing when a someone blessed with so much talent, luck, and skill, doesn't make good use of their blessings at all times. Fans who have supported VC and the team during the years probably felt betrayed by someone they idolized.
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Old 12-16-2006, 12:03 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Re: Vince Carter

As you can see from my name, I admire VC
i actually started a post a couple weeks ago about this
since someone started a new one
might as well give some opinion

I am a 100% raptors fans, started watching b ball from 1999-2000. It is true, VC MADE the raptors, IF it wasn't him, raps will probably ended up like the vancouver grizzles

It is also true, the way he left is not professional and i totally understand why some ppl hate him, but guys, come on, everything goes both way, VC was the franchise man and i think he should have a "say" in hiring a GM, i don't know the inside story, but of cuz they ended up hiring BABCOCK.

I watched the game tonight and i was pissed off when they started saying, carter sux, carter sux, like come one, He has done more (+) than (-) in TO, you have to admit

I am pissed off how Raps gave the number 15 to garbo, CRAP
if the raptors will ever hang up or retire a jersey, it will be carter's jersey

And chuck just pissed me off, everytime the camera is on VC, he would say, " WOW, he is laughing when his ball club is down by 10, what is he thinking" Like come one, same as jack armstrong, both of them are so biased,

If you guys like to boo ppl, start booing ppl like MOURNING
that guy is called unprofessional!!!!!! wasn't happy to come to TO, and didn't come to report, we ended up BUYING OUT his damn contract, at least partially, i don't see you guys booing him when he comes here, what he did is worst than what VC did

and I am pissed at the front office, we got NTH, absolutely NTH from the VC trade,

Last q?? Don't you think the most exciting raptors basketball was when VC was here??? VC is very entertaining and fun to watch and i truly want him to come back.......if possible.
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And chuck just pissed me off, everytime the camera is on VC, he would say, " WOW, he is laughing when his ball club is down by 10, what is he thinking" Like come one, same as jack armstrong, both of them are so biased,
Those commentators are garbage. Their stupid biases, arguments,and "gossiping" always make me sick.
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Old 12-16-2006, 08:19 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Despite his market value, a professional basketball player should always try to play his best. If I'm not mistaken, the Raptors signed VC to a max contract. If VC couldn't do it out of being a sheer competitor, do it for the 12+ mil. Just look at Allen Iverson and KG. It is obvious that both players doesn't want to be where they are right now, but everytime that they step on the court, they are giving their 100% effort for the organization that they are playing for. Compare those 2 with someone like a Ron Artest or VC, then you can see why fans are angry.
I don’t think VC is less professional than AI and KG. It is just different way and manner to play game from different players. Just like some one works hard like soldier, and some one works just for enjoying fun. If you don’t like VC’s way and manner, don’t offer him job or just let him go, and try to get AI or KG. Unfortunately, I guess those guys even don’t want to think about Raps. Mourning always play very hard with your favorite professional manner, but he even refused to come to Toronto after he was traded to Raps.
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Old 12-16-2006, 08:37 AM   #42 (permalink)
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I am a 100% raptors fans, started watching b ball from 1999-2000. It is true, VC MADE the raptors, IF it wasn't him, raps will probably ended up like the vancouver grizzles
No he didn't. No they wouldn't have. You don't seem to know much about the team prior to Carter and know even less about the financial make-up of Canada's cities and the demographics within.

I started watching the Raps the first year they came into the league, me along with 100s of thousands of other people. Believe it or not this city had basketball fans before Vince pulled the MTV set into NBA.

Wince, I hope you choke.
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Old 12-16-2006, 10:34 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Also I would like to ask to every person that are mad at Vince Carter for leaving the way he did, would you be mad at him if he got traded in the offseason instead of the middle of the season?

I think the person who's most to blame about Carter's situaton is Babcock because he should of been more patient with the situation instead of cracking on one of the first calls he got for Carter's services. He should of done the same thing Bird did with Artest, waiting till he has a good offer.

One more question to the Vince Carter haters? Will you always be one?

1. I was never mad at Vince when he asked to be traded in the offseason.. disappointed (at that time, i.e. offseason), for sure... I never questioned the injuries - knee injuries are tough to overcome.. and yes he always rolled around on the floor in his first three / four years here before the major injuries.. I never made a big deal about it, actually defended him, because he would come back in the game shortly... he was simply being a drama queen which didn't really bother me.

2. I got mad at Vince once the 2004 season started. His play on the court, and his effort, was an absolute disgrace to all his fellow teammates and fellow NBA players, and all professionals in any form of employment. HE DAMAGED HIS INTEGRITY WITH ALL OTHER 29 NBA GM's making himself untradeable.

3. VInce tanked, his integrity was shot, he had no value - there was no good offer, because everyone thought Vince was done and that he had no integrity.

4. Will I always hate Vince - well I don't hate athletes off the floor, but as a basketball player yes I will always hate him.
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Old 12-16-2006, 10:38 AM   #44 (permalink)
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The "new stupid GM" wasn't hired when Vince started wanting to leave.
Logic is not allowed in these fanboy threads. You should know better ST.

Actually, the trigger point with management was when VC was not allowed to choose the GM. Vince was the GM in the 2001 offseason, which is why our franchise got into roster issues in the first place.
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