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i think the confusion stems from the charlotte observer article, where they suggest that the raptors'll swing the pick to charlotte if we make the playoffs.

this is not necessarily true. i don't know where they got that info but, like speedy suggested, it's not just lotto protected this year, it's top 15 protected (which includes the lotto plus the playoff team with the worst record).

next year (2008) is when it's just lotto protected (top 14) from what i remember, and 2009 is when the pick finally has no protection at all.

but i'm just running this off the top of my head. i could be slightly mistaken. we have the protection details listed somewhere in the forum, don't we speedy? all i have is one memory of an old grunwald presser where glen decided to disclose the pick's complete protection info.

either way, i'm almost positive that the charlotte observer is wrong here. we could make the playoffs with the worst record (even win our division with the worst record) and still keep the pick.

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speedythief

^ Yeah, its in the salary thread as you've stated.

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This thread has been confusing - what long ago trade did we make with Charlotte? The franchise has only existed for 2 years. Did they pick up Benoit Benjamin's expiring deal?

And who is Rudy Fernandez? He sounds like a shortstop from the Dominican Republic. There will be tons of intriguing prospects in the 2007 draft - even if Oden stays in school.

NeoSamurai

it stems i believe from the Lamond Murray deal under the Grunwald era between ourselves and Cleveland...i think Cleveland sent the pick to Charlotte....

heres the specifics straight from nbadraft via ESPN:

Charlotte receive a future conditional Toronto first-round pick (lottery protected thru 2008). (Pavlovic trade 062204) via Cleveland receives a future Toronto first round pick (Lamond Murray trade 092502)

Fernandez is a young PG/SG...you can find the info on him here: http://nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/rudyfernandez.html

just on a side, the Suns could possibly be picking 4th overall in one of the deepest drafts ever via the JJ deal with Atlanta...some teams get all the luck lol...

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AirJordan™

We owed Cleveland a pick and then Cleveland traded that pick to the Bobcats.

Damn, if we do lose that pick, what a bad year to lose it considering how deep this year's draft is.

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I follow the NCAA pretty closely but the Euro prospects sneak up on me ...thanks for the info.

Can anyone think of a trade, in the history of any sport, where a team has given up a first round pick and not regretted it? Why don't teams just prohibit their GMs from dealing the first round pick?

It's like using your credit card to buy something - you feel that you can afford more than you really can. Come to thnk of it, I do that all the time - I guess I shouldn't talk then.

NeoSamurai

in terms of the question first posed, i would try to get in the mid-1st round and try to grab Corey Brewer since he is what we need: an athletic wing player who can play shutdown perimeter defense....

but i only make a deal if it doesnt disrupt our core right now- thus i wouldnt deal any of Bosh, TJ, Bargnani, AP, Garbo, and Rasho (the last three within reason tho)...for the next 2-3 years we'll need these players to make our run in the Atlantic because they play defense and already show good chemistry together...i think you dont need to acquire another superstar-calibre player since TJ, Bosh, and Bargnani will all develop into those roles...

i also think with the scouting that we have that with a 2nd rounder, BC and Gherardini can find a more than productive player from Europe or the NCAA who can contribute to our team....

so its not necessary to get into the 1st round, but it'd be nice to have a chance at getting Brewer or whoever...

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speedythief

Trading our first/Bender for Davis was a good deal both short and long term.

Zuca

If this team reach the playoffs, they shouldn't care to this pick at all. I wouldn't. Course, it's better with the pick, but not bad even without the pick.

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I'd love to somehow come out with a first round pick (and homecourt in the playoffs), through a trade or as luck would have it. Of course they aren't going to be that easy to come by in any good/deep draft year but BC has the savvy to make a move.

I love the draft and I love development of young players, especially at the position we should be looking out for - the wing.

That being said, Colangelo is going to be able to add to the team using the MLE/cap room and other trades if need be. I'm sure Maurizio has a couple of nice euro signings in mind.

This team is already pretty deep and will get better with time alone, so not having a draft pick wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. We're not going to have much PT available for rookies next year anyway.

I just don't like watching division rivals stacking up on prospects (the Atlantic is going to be stacked with young talent as of next year)while we still have this stupid Murray trade impacting our building process.

Oh well, it will be nice to get it over and done with.

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rainman

Before people get too giddy this is potentially a real good draft not guaranteed. First off dont listen to boobs like Rick Bucher of ESPN who made the rediculous statement that he heard(unamed scout of course) that there were 7 players in this draft better than Bargnani, that's horse####. There is one for sure and maybe two.

It remains to be seen how many underclassmen declare, Greg Oden has said he's staying(doubt he will) and others like Hawes, Budinger and McRoberts arent a sure thing and neither is Marco Bellineli from Italy.

spuriousjones

To confirm the pick situation: it is protected to #15 this year, #14 2008, unprotected thereafter. It must be Toronto's own and must be conferred at the first draft applicable. This information was given to me directly from Babcock. The Charlotte report is wrong.

It is therefore possible to both make the playoffs and retain the pick. We will require the lowest standing of playoff teams, the 15th selection, to do so. Winning the Atlantic is not a prerequisite but it would be doubly sweet: win the Atlantic --as long as we do so with the worst record of playoff eligible teams-- we keep the pick and gain home court advantage.

SkywalkerAC

And don't forget that we should already have one rookie on the team in Ukic. Developing talent in Europe - you gotta love it. I think he comes in pretty ready to play. I think his style should suit ours just fine. And you know he's been watching all the Raptor games he can.

And then you've got the second round. I doubt we get a rotation breaker but at least you've got a guy to develop in the farm system.

The concensus is that we need to develop on the wing. Is Travis Outlaw a free agent this offseason?

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shookem

I'm just happy that I'm not following the NCAA so closely this year to scout for the Raps.

Last year at this time I watched nearly as much AA as NBA, this year, I've only seen a dozen or so college games and waaaaay more NBA matches.

No pick, no PT for the pick, no big deal.

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