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Re: Raptors @ Bulls, Feb. 13th
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Why was Caldeorn taken out of the game? He was the reason why the Raptors pulled away in the game and he suddenly gets replaced by Ford. When Ford came in the offense went cold.
Enough with this ****. Mitchell should stick with who is hot down the stretch and in this case it was Calderon. This is not the first time that Ford has come in and the team almost blew it.
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Calderon definately should have finished out the game, but I can understand why Sam wanted to take him out. He was on the court for the entire 4th quarter and a good portion of the 3rd, he could have been a bit fatigued. Looking back though, seems like it was the wrong choice.
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02-13-2007, 08:12 PM
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Re: Raptors @ Bulls, Feb. 13th
Biggest mistake was the Raptors signing TJ to such a big contract before he deserved one. That just makes it harder to sit him down because he's earning the big bucks. I don't know what Smitch was thinking taking out Calderon who was playing flawless. It hurts me so much to see him nailed to the bench when it matters most.
My whole body was shaking, Raptors barely able to pull it out in the end, but alas, a win is a win. Good win but we should of had it in hand much earlier. I still don't see all this hoopla in the beginning of the season about the Bulls being a contender, I mean cmon.
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02-13-2007, 08:15 PM
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Re: Raptors @ Bulls, Feb. 13th
i think it was a coaching mistake to send in Ford into the game when he was cold cause a point guard cant be expected to just get things going with only 2 minutes left in the game an the Bulls turning up there defense
saying that i think that Ford may not be fitting into this team that well cause he seems to be dribbling a lot an he looks weak when he has to pass the ball fast
what do you think is Ford too weak now cause i'm thinking that his ankle may not be 100% and thats slowing him down .. just like Jose last season
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02-13-2007, 08:18 PM
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Re: Raptors @ Bulls, Feb. 13th
been sayin this since the 2nd game of the season and was widely chastised. TJ is a turnover machine in the clutch. His stats look good on paper but they don't tell the story as he often makes costly turnovers or jacks up ill-timed shots at key moments in the game. Calderon is the better point guard bottom line. He's a straight up winner, with intangibles that were evident at the World Championships.
Good to see the majority of the board coming around on this issue.
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02-13-2007, 08:22 PM
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Re: Raptors @ Bulls, Feb. 13th
Alright. So we nearly blew the lead, but we had some luck on our side and the streak is finally over.
I agree with everybody who says that Calderon should have been in the game in the last few minutes.
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02-13-2007, 08:23 PM
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Re: Raptors @ Bulls, Feb. 13th
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Originally Posted by firstrounder
been sayin this since the 2nd game of the season and was widely chastised. TJ is a turnover machine in the clutch. His stats look good on paper but they don't tell the story as he often makes costly turnovers or jacks up ill-timed shots at key moments in the game. Calderon is the better point guard bottom line. He's a straight up winner, with intangibles that were evident at the World Championships.
Good to see the majority of the board coming around on this issue.
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AGREED. And now we are stuck with him.
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02-13-2007, 08:26 PM
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Re: Raptors @ Bulls, Feb. 13th
I dont mind TJ, as hes young and should continue to get better. But right now this team has a chance to make some noise in the playoffs, we need to start the better PG, and that is Calderon!
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02-13-2007, 08:38 PM
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Re: Raptors @ Bulls, Feb. 13th
On the other hand, I think we should also be giving Chicago some credit for their suffocating zone defense.
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02-13-2007, 08:41 PM
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Re: Raptors @ Bulls, Feb. 13th
More finger pointing? you guys are never happy Ford young he will improve with time Raps probably have the best 1,2 backcourt in the Nba and you guys are complaining? lol
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02-13-2007, 08:51 PM
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Re: Raptors @ Bulls, Feb. 13th
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More finger pointing? you guys are never happy Ford young he will improve with time Raps probably have the best 1,2 backcourt in the Nba and you guys are complaining? lol
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Seriously dude, if you want people to respond to your posts like it actually matters get off your high horse. You talk about people finger pointing this and that while you have been the one who has been doing from day one, being so judgemental and egotistical towards your posts like they actually matter.
Enough with the crap. provide some fruitful discussion to the matter at hand, and stop acting so judgemental.
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02-13-2007, 09:02 PM
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Re: Raptors @ Bulls, Feb. 13th
Man, while watching the end of that game, I was literally about to explode watching TJ run the offence. I think in games when Calderon is playing he should finish the game but thinking back earlier on in the season TJ had some very clutch moments end game, so he'll probably continue to improve. I think its less about TJ and more about the Raps learning to play againist the zone.
Point is, TJ should play in most end game situations so he can learn and Mitchell should work on playing againist the zone in practice.
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02-13-2007, 09:03 PM
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Re: Raptors @ Bulls, Feb. 13th
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More finger pointing? you guys are never happy Ford young he will improve with time Raps probably have the best 1,2 backcourt in the Nba and you guys are complaining? lol
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Agreed. Ford is seriously underrated on this board. Nobody seems to remember all the clutch shots he hits, but are more than willing to knock him down after a poor showing. Everyone on this board is blaming him for our late-game collapse, while failing to recognize that NOBODY on our team, not Bosh, not Parker, not Peterson, not Bargnani, was able to do anything about the Bulls' zone defense. In the last 3 minutes, Ford was the only player on our team to generate ANY kind of penetration of that defense, and it still resulted in contested 3's for Parker and Peterson. The two times we sent it to Bosh, he was paralyzed by triple-teams, and Bargnani simply passed the ball off to someone else. Also, Bosh's game winning free throws were only made possible because of TJ's initial drive. Blame TJ all you want, but he's not the only guy out there. The biggest reason the Bulls came back late is because their defense stepped up and the Raptors did nothing about it.
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02-13-2007, 09:05 PM
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Re: Raptors @ Bulls, Feb. 13th
methinks its you and a few others who are over-rating Ford and under-rating Calderon.
Seriously, anyone who has watched the Raptors all year who thinks Ford has been better than Calderon needs to check themselves.
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02-13-2007, 09:11 PM
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Re: Raptors @ Bulls, Feb. 13th
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methinks its you and a few others who are over-rating Ford and under-rating Calderon.
Seriously, anyone who has watched the Raptors all year who thinks Ford has been better than Calderon needs to check themselves.
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I like Calderon just fine. He played outstanding today. But you can't leave him on for 48 minutes, and Ford had a damn good start to the game as well, so it's not like it was a gargantuan mistake to put him back in based on his performance up until that point. I don't think he gets enough credit for the most part on this board, especially when certain Euro buffs come in and start unforgivingly, and most times unjustifiably, bashing Ford.
And Calderon is a better passer and layup shooter than Ford, but Ford is better in pretty much every other area.
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