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streetballa · 02-16-2007, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by lucky777s

You boo him to remind him what a weak loser he really is.

You boo him to let him know how selfish a person he really is.

You boo him to say we should have just taken Antawn Jamison and stuck with him. Built the team a little slower and not been forced into cap hell by signing the guys VC and his mom wanted. Vince stunk it up in both playoff series versus the Knicks. His teammates dragged him into the second round that year and he responded with the 'graduation day' scandal. Those Raptor teams were loaded with veteran talent and leaders. Lots of other scorers would have looked great in his spot.

These 2 games each year in Toronto are his reality check. The only thing he has ever won is a dunk contest. No scoring titles, no first team all-nba honors, no playoff success. And as soon as he won that slam dunk title he coasted. He chose celebrity over greatness and decided he didn't have to work on his game anymore. Well now he is 30 and his best years are behind him. He could have been one of the best ever but decided it wasn't worth the effort. Even his marriage was a total failure and he didnt' tough it out for very long. The easy way is the only way for VC.

He took the max contract and gave us nothing in return after that. He milked this city for everything it was worth.

Rarely do you see a player at the height of his success being called out by teammates for not stepping up. Oakley had to do it routinely with Vince. Players around the league began laughing at how soft a player he was. When he was put on the market nobody stepped up with a decent offer. And even now, when he is again available and playing harder no team is going nuts trying to land this guy. Not like when Kobe or TMac were available and teams lined up with offers.

Did anyone see the statue ceremony last week? Vince was all in tears saying 'you didn't have to do this'. Uhhh, yeah they did Vince. Your mommy made it a condition of the donation and had the thing made herself.

He needs this reality check. Keep booing.

This was the best post i have read in a while, you are repped!

**ballocks** · 02-16-2007, 01:00 PM

the jeering of carter was so audible the last two times that i'm wondering if it will ever stop. and i think it would be fascinating if it never did- would that be unprecedented? i don't know.

i mean, yes, t-mac's still booed whenever he comes to town, for example, but it doesn't have the same volume and/or passion. it's just a mumble of boos for the first few minutes, and then typically tunes out for the rest of the game. these games with carter have been different, though- he's been booed mercilessly throughout the games, every time he's touched the ball.

can the people win this war? if the fans manage to sustain the same energy for the duration of vince's career, i think they will win it (or they'll think they will). it could be as soon as ~2 to 3 years down the road when i think vince could become petrified of returning to toronto: "because they still boo like crazy." i don't know how many athletes could handle that- let alone vince carter, a relatively weak and nostalgic personality (imo) who checked out of town on controversial terms. he'd probably have a tougher time than most having to constantly face reminders of past mistakes.

i don't expect it to last but if it does, that would be some story. it could set a precedent for the north american sports world, in general, and give recourse to a normally helpless fanbase in any similar situation: "boo him forever... don't ever let him forget." imagine a 40 year-old carter, coming off the bench for garbage mins with the orlando magic to a chorus of boos from the acc faithful. that would be incredible (not 'good' or 'bad'; just incredible).

peace

anniebananerz · 02-16-2007, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by lucky777s

You boo him to remind him what a weak loser he really is.

You boo him to let him know how selfish a person he really is.

You boo him to say we should have just taken Antawn Jamison and stuck with him. Built the team a little slower and not been forced into cap hell by signing the guys VC and his mom wanted. Vince stunk it up in both playoff series versus the Knicks. His teammates dragged him into the second round that year and he responded with the 'graduation day' scandal. Those Raptor teams were loaded with veteran talent and leaders. Lots of other scorers would have looked great in his spot.

These 2 games each year in Toronto are his reality check. The only thing he has ever won is a dunk contest. No scoring titles, no first team all-nba honors, no playoff success. And as soon as he won that slam dunk title he coasted. He chose celebrity over greatness and decided he didn't have to work on his game anymore. Well now he is 30 and his best years are behind him. He could have been one of the best ever but decided it wasn't worth the effort. Even his marriage was a total failure and he didnt' tough it out for very long. The easy way is the only way for VC.

He took the max contract and gave us nothing in return after that. He milked this city for everything it was worth.

Rarely do you see a player at the height of his success being called out by teammates for not stepping up. Oakley had to do it routinely with Vince. Players around the league began laughing at how soft a player he was. When he was put on the market nobody stepped up with a decent offer. And even now, when he is again available and playing harder no team is going nuts trying to land this guy. Not like when Kobe or TMac were available and teams lined up with offers.

Did anyone see the statue ceremony last week? Vince was all in tears saying 'you didn't have to do this'. Uhhh, yeah they did Vince. Your mommy made it a condition of the donation and had the thing made herself.

He needs this reality check. Keep booing.

Total ownage right here!

Repped!

vincedunkedonzo2 · 02-16-2007, 03:34 PM

Man this guy is obviously a Vince hater. Cant wait for more and more posts congatualting him of this nonsense.

Junkyard Dog13 · 02-16-2007, 03:39 PM

way to go 777 awsome post I wish a Oak like player could still be here.
Bosh made it very clear to Bargs of what he needs to do and Bargs has responded well but still quite raw.

I think the player who wanted to be not named responding to Carter's reaction to the crowd who said it just adds more fire to the riverly was Mo can anyone confirm?.

RC06 · 02-16-2007, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by lucky777s

You boo him to remind him what a weak loser he really is.

You boo him to let him know how selfish a person he really is.

You boo him to say we should have just taken Antawn Jamison and stuck with him. Built the team a little slower and not been forced into cap hell by signing the guys VC and his mom wanted. Vince stunk it up in both playoff series versus the Knicks. His teammates dragged him into the second round that year and he responded with the 'graduation day' scandal. Those Raptor teams were loaded with veteran talent and leaders. Lots of other scorers would have looked great in his spot.

These 2 games each year in Toronto are his reality check. The only thing he has ever won is a dunk contest. No scoring titles, no first team all-nba honors, no playoff success. And as soon as he won that slam dunk title he coasted. He chose celebrity over greatness and decided he didn't have to work on his game anymore. Well now he is 30 and his best years are behind him. He could have been one of the best ever but decided it wasn't worth the effort. Even his marriage was a total failure and he didnt' tough it out for very long. The easy way is the only way for VC.

He took the max contract and gave us nothing in return after that. He milked this city for everything it was worth.

Rarely do you see a player at the height of his success being called out by teammates for not stepping up. Oakley had to do it routinely with Vince. Players around the league began laughing at how soft a player he was. When he was put on the market nobody stepped up with a decent offer. And even now, when he is again available and playing harder no team is going nuts trying to land this guy. Not like when Kobe or TMac were available and teams lined up with offers.

Did anyone see the statue ceremony last week? Vince was all in tears saying 'you didn't have to do this'. Uhhh, yeah they did Vince. Your mommy made it a condition of the donation and had the thing made herself.

He needs this reality check. Keep booing.

Awesome post bro. That's one of the truest **** ever written. Repped.

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Originally Posted by vincedunkedonzo2

Cant wait for more and more posts congatualting him of this nonsense.

What now?

Ka-Bosh · 02-16-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by lucky777s

You boo him to remind him what a weak loser he really is.

You boo him to let him know how selfish a person he really is.

You boo him to say we should have just taken Antawn Jamison and stuck with him. Built the team a little slower and not been forced into cap hell by signing the guys VC and his mom wanted. Vince stunk it up in both playoff series versus the Knicks. His teammates dragged him into the second round that year and he responded with the 'graduation day' scandal. Those Raptor teams were loaded with veteran talent and leaders. Lots of other scorers would have looked great in his spot.

These 2 games each year in Toronto are his reality check. The only thing he has ever won is a dunk contest. No scoring titles, no first team all-nba honors, no playoff success. And as soon as he won that slam dunk title he coasted. He chose celebrity over greatness and decided he didn't have to work on his game anymore. Well now he is 30 and his best years are behind him. He could have been one of the best ever but decided it wasn't worth the effort. Even his marriage was a total failure and he didnt' tough it out for very long. The easy way is the only way for VC.

He took the max contract and gave us nothing in return after that. He milked this city for everything it was worth.

Rarely do you see a player at the height of his success being called out by teammates for not stepping up. Oakley had to do it routinely with Vince. Players around the league began laughing at how soft a player he was. When he was put on the market nobody stepped up with a decent offer. And even now, when he is again available and playing harder no team is going nuts trying to land this guy. Not like when Kobe or TMac were available and teams lined up with offers.

Did anyone see the statue ceremony last week? Vince was all in tears saying 'you didn't have to do this'. Uhhh, yeah they did Vince. Your mommy made it a condition of the donation and had the thing made herself.

He needs this reality check. Keep booing.

Vince didn’t have much success in his first playoff series I agree, but he did have a good series the next time they faced the Knicks. I wouldn’t say that his teammates carried the team to a playoff victory. If he got injured during the first game of the Knicks series, there’s no way that the Raptors would of won a game, they would of lost in three instead of winning in five.

Now you bring up the 76ers series, where Carter had a great series, in one game he had 50 points. Yes he did have the graduation scandal, but he played an awesome game during that day, and he just missed the last shot to win the game, and once again if he missed that series there’s no way that the Raptors would have been close to win that series.

I wouldn’t say that he never won anything except a dunk competition because he did win two playoff series, and was one shot away to make the Eastern Conference finals. He won a lot of games for the Raptors to make those playoffs, and if they kept Antawn instead of Carter then they would of never had the same success that they had, and a lot of Vets wouldn’t of join the Raptors because they would still be at the bottom of the league, and those Vets would never want to play for Toronto because they would be one of the worst teams in the league.

What does his marriage have to do with anything he does on the court?

So when Carters contract was up, and he signed that max contract you guys were disappointed, and you wanted him to leave to free agency just like McGrady did? I think not, all of you were jumping in joy that he signed that contract. If any of you say otherwise are most likely lying?

I wouldn’t say that there was no team interested in Carter because during the off season, rumors were that the Sonics were offering Allen for Carter. It’s Babcock who said yes on the first call; he should have just done what Bird did with Artest. Wait till he gets a good deal, and then pull the trigger.

What reality check are you talking about?

He saw that the Raptors organization was going in the wrong direction, and he didn’t feel that Peddie made the wise choice of picking Babcock has GM, and he also wanted Igudola instead of Hoffa, and he was right there as well. So if they did listen to him which they should because he was the face of the franchise. If they did listen to him then he would still be wearing a Raptor uniform, and they would be one of the best teams in the NBA.

vincedunkedonzo2 · 02-16-2007, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Iceman

What now?

Wanna know my reaponse go to page 3 at the bottom. Good job Ka-Bosh for YOUR good post.

**speedythief** · 02-16-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ka-Bosh

He saw that the Raptors organization was going in the wrong direction, and he didn’t feel that Peddie made the wise choice of picking Babcock has GM, and he also wanted Igudola instead of Hoffa, and he was right there as well. So if they did listen to him which they should because he was the face of the franchise. If they did listen to him then he would still be wearing a Raptor uniform, and they would be one of the best teams in the NBA.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

Carter wanted the Raptors to hire Dr. J to be general manager. Look at all the teams that have fallen over themselves since to hire Erving. Carter didn't know anything about Babcock (or the other candidates) and didn't say **** when he was hired.

Carter wanted Iguodala? Care to back that up?

Keep in mind Carter wanted to trade #4/Bosh for veteran help.

vincedunkedonzo2 · 02-16-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by vincedunkedonzo2

First of all, what have I said that is inccorect about the Grizzlies. My age is irrelivent, they were just like Toronto horrible at drafting and signing. The NBA decided to give Canada two franchises. One failed whilet he other one made it beacause they wanted see who, Vince Carter. I cannot think of one good draft pick Toronto has had. Vince was drafted by GS then traded for Jamison and money. Bosh was taken over Wade.
And why is Jersey the laughing stock of America? It was an original colony. It has produced the light bulb. Shaq was from Jersey. The corn you eat is from Jersey. Jersy is next to NY so many tourists come here. Jersey has produced many celeberties.
Without Vince you would have no fans, and probably would move to Vegas or something. Vince has never had succes because he is stuck in bad situations. Toronto had a lot of bad signings and drafting. If Toronto really "let Vince choose who he wanted" they are foolish for not letting the pros handle it. Jersey has been hit with injuries even last year, when we had no bench RJ got injured at a crucial time.
Vince has had no scoring titles because he is not as good as Kobe or as selfish as Kobe once was. And I hate it when people say Vince didnt work on his game. What you think he was sleeping while everyone attended mandatory workouts and practices? Vince has reached his potential. The only reason people say he didnt because of their stupid MJ comparsions. MJ had retired people were hungry for another player like him. Vince was a great dunker like him and came from Carolina like him. But sorry there will never be another MJ.
Vince is having the best assist season of his career when some of his best players are out so calling him selfish is foolish. Vince will not leave NJ and when he doesnt I will bring these posts back up and laugh.
Vince is not soft he drives a lot but you wouldnt know that cause you not the Net fan. He is a lot better than before, and again you speaking with ignorance. Lots of players get divorced including MJ. Nothing was offered because of the injuries, and bad labels you put on Vince. Again it was your own fault, you could have stayed with T Mac but you chose Vince over him.
If Vince is so selfish why does he consistantly donate to charity. And the only reason your good now is because you actually got a GM. Last year we saw a 27 win season. Rarely do players ask their teamates to step up? WTF players ask other players to step it up all the time. Im sure his mother threatned to not make the donation because of the statue. The statue was a gift from his school who he has done so much for. This is a hateful post from a hateful Raptors fan.

Here you go heres what I said.

Ka-Bosh · 02-16-2007, 04:29 PM

Wow you calling yourself a Raptor fan, and you don't recall Carter saying that he wanted the Raptors to draft Iguodola, I don't have any documents proving it, but hopefully someone can back me up that knows a little bit about the Raptors, because I am not making this up.

No he didn't say anything when he got hired, I recall him saying I want to be traded, I don't think that's keeping his mouth shut.

Also yes he wanted Dr. J has the GM, and I not sure about this, but I don't think he could of done worst then
Babcock.

Yes Carter to trade the pick for Vet help, but can you blame him, he thought he was a couple of pieces away from doing something good with the Raptors, he didn't think this team needed to rebuild.

Also I come up with this stuff by paying attention to the Raptors.

**speedythief** · 02-16-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ka-Bosh

Wow you calling yourself a Raptor fan, and you don't recall Carter saying that he wanted the Raptors to draft Iguodola, I don't have any documents proving it, but hopefully someone can back me up that knows a little bit about the Raptors, because I am not making this up.

I feel so emancipated now. I'm not a fan, I don't pay attention. I can go out into the world and live my life.

I just went through about a hundred threads leading into the 04 draft and not only did Carter not have an opinion that was noted, most of the fans didn't know who they wanted, either.

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No he didn't say anything when he got hired, I recall him saying I want to be traded, I don't think that's keeping his mouth shut.

Also yes he wanted Dr. J has the GM, and I not sure about this, but I don't think he could of done worst then
Babcock.

Yes Carter to trade the pick for Vet help, but can you blame him, he thought he was a couple of pieces away from doing something good with the Raptors, he didn't think this team needed to rebuild.

Also I come up with this stuff by paying attention to the Raptors.

If you recall, when Vince was trying to steer the franchise in the summer of 04, one of the models he pointed to were the New York Knicks.

He was also a major proponent of signing guys like Milt Palacio and Shammond Williams.

And, of course, he was the biggest factor in the Raptors being handcuffed to Alvin and Jerome Williams and Hakeem Olajuwon, all signings he not only endorsed--but demanded by holding the team ransom. He refused to re-sign with Toronto otherwise.

As for Dr. J, he tried to flex his muscles a second time and force MLSE to hire Erving, who had/and still has no front office experience aside from a cosmetic role with the Magic one year. Little did Carter realize that he wasn't in a contract year and couldn't act as president/GM without the threat of leaving.

Here are some newspaper quotes for you (June 22nd, 2004):

"I'm definitely committed to Toronto," Carter said. "That's why I'm here, to help them win, and hopefully Mr. Babcock can find some guys who are committed and ready to make a playoff push."

And on the same day, this story was also printed...

" According to league sources, Carter quietly has demanded a trade. The demand was made through Carter's representatives, although Carter likely reiterated his position personally when he accidentally ran into new Raptors general manager Rob Babcock at the Air Canada Centre last week.

Carter's mouth has two sides and he speaks from both.

His public demand came one week after the draft, three weeks after Babcock's hiring. It was in the works privately beforehand. Nothing the Raptors did that summer--from hiring Babcock and Mitchell, to drafting Araujo and Bonner, and signing Alston--were of any importance. He had already made up his mind.

PS. Carter wanted Nash AND Magloire that summer as well. To him all it took was dollars to get it done.

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