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05-15-2007, 04:34 PM
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Colangelo looking at a restricted, athletic small forward...
..but obviously he won't say who. Here are some names:
Andres Nocioni comes to mind, what with Luol Deng about to get a big pay day from Chicago. They already have to find money for Ben Gordon, not to mention what they are already spending on Ben Wallace and Kirk Hinrich. But I wouldn't describe Nocioni as athletic, so maybe he isn't the guy. Plus he is a lot like Garbo (though better in most respects); plays both forward positions, nice range on his jump shot, decent defender, good rebounder, but he has nasty streak. His dribble-drive and mid-range games lack consistency.
Another is Golden State's Mickael Pietrus. The Warriors have a bunch of money on the books right now for B-Diddy, Jason Richardson, Al Harrington, Crazy Jackson and Adonal Foyle, plus an extension for Andris Biedrins around the corner. Pietrus seems superfluous at the moment. Pietrus is a solid man-on defender, very long and athletic. He would be a nice target for fast-break passes from Ford and Calderon. He is a good rebounder from the three but he could still improve. His jumpshot was nicer this season but he still hasn't found a great rhythm.
If you've been watching the Nets-Cavs series, and why in the world would you, you might have seen the nice play of young wing Aleksandar "Sasha" Pavlovic. His defence has been better than expected, rattling Vince Carter's fragile cage more than once and getting a Tayshaun Prince-esque block on a lazy, important J-Kidd lay-up attempt. His shot is money and he has nice ball handling and passing skills. His length is an asset. He lacks toughness, defensive consistency, and doesn't rebound.
Can you guess which small forward averaged 18.6 points in the month of April? His name is Travis Outlaw, the ultra athletic high-schooler who has somehow already been in the league for four years. Portland is well over the cap with Randolph, LaFrentz, Miles and Pryzbilla gobbling-up about $40M between them. Outlaw only started one game this past season but had some memorable performances, including an 18 point/15 rebound outburst against Minnesota, a 16 point/6 rebound/6 block showing against the Hornets, and a 36 point/10 rebound explosion against the Jazz in his last game of the season, a contest in which he went 16/16 from the free throw line. Outlaw is one of the least talked-about free agents this summer. Outlaw is mostly athleticism right now but could play a role similar to Charlie Villanueva last season, only with more quickness and less smarts.
Other guys worth mentioning are journeymen and second-round guys who are looking to get paid like Matt Barnes, James Singleton, Desmond Mason, Chuck Hayes, and Luke Walton.
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05-15-2007, 04:50 PM
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Re: Colangelo looking at a restricted, athletic small forward...
Pietrus, and Pavlovic are the only ones we can really afford but out of everyone on that list Mason would be the guy I'd want the most
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05-15-2007, 04:54 PM
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Re: Colangelo looking at a restricted, athletic small forward...
if its Outlaw, thatd be one heck of a frontcourt with Bosh and Bargnani as 7 footers already...
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05-15-2007, 06:00 PM
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Re: Colangelo looking at a restricted, athletic small forward...
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Originally Posted by Mr_B
Pietrus, and Pavlovic are the only ones we can really afford but out of everyone on that list Mason would be the guy I'd want the most
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I think the idea with Nocioni or guys like that is to throw the whole MLE at them and wait and see if his team will match. Whether or not that is Bryan's strategy I dunno.
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05-15-2007, 06:43 PM
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Re: Colangelo looking at a restricted, athletic small forward...
Nocioni out of our price range as well I expect him to get a big deal this offseason
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05-15-2007, 09:06 PM
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Re: Colangelo looking at a restricted, athletic small forward...
Said it before and I'll say it again: the Raptors should break the bank for Nocioni. He's PERFECT for this team.
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05-15-2007, 10:15 PM
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Re: Colangelo looking at a restricted, athletic small forward...
what about adding playof f experience vets?
sign Pietrus/Barnes to replace Peterson
Dont re-sign Sow as we domnt need him as Garbo at times played C and Sow wasa project when selected and has developed into a medicore back up, Martin I expext himn to be coaching replace him with a guy that has ton of playoff experirnce, Stackhouse would be aight dont know what his price tag will be, Outlaw & Nocioni wil get big offers out of our price range as after Rashard if he hits the market they are perhaps the next bese SF's.
Kapano, Posey, Stack, Hill someone name some more well experienced playoff Free agents would lie to see 1 added.
then 1 from te Barnes, Pietrus, Outlaw, Lewis crop.
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05-15-2007, 10:39 PM
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Re: Colangelo looking at a restricted, athletic small forward...
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Originally Posted by Junkyard Dog13
Kapano, Posey, Stack, Hill someone name some more well experienced playoff Free agents would lie to see 1 added.
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hill didn't even cross my mind. but please no. i think the hill's, griffey's and lindros's have shown what they can do already.
honestly, i bet he's on the list. it makes too much sense. but i would be opposed.
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05-16-2007, 12:09 AM
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Re: Colangelo looking at a restricted, athletic small forward...
I'm not really enamoured with any of the RFA small forwards, but if we were to get say Nocioni or Peitrus for the mid level then you can't really complain. Desmond Mason wouldn't be bad either.
I'm kinda hopping for more though, and that would most likely occur through a trade.
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05-16-2007, 12:32 AM
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Re: Colangelo looking at a restricted, athletic small forward...
I like Desmond Mason, but that dude needs to learn how to shoot. I do like Pietrus' skill set and his athleticism, and I like Pavlovic right after him. Two of them would be a great fit and in our price range I hope.
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05-16-2007, 10:20 AM
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Re: Colangelo looking at a restricted, athletic small forward...
I love that Colangelo is talking about going after an RFA... It's a scary thing to do really because your hands are tied for those 15 days, but if we could snatch Outlaw, Petrius or Pavlovic that would be awesome... I would be incredibly excited if the Raptor's could get ahold of Outlaw, he would complete our roster in my opinion.
Side note, how would doing a sign and trade for an RFA affect things? Could we offer more money then? Or, would it only be helpful in that the other team wouldn't match the offer?
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05-16-2007, 10:54 AM
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Re: Colangelo looking at a restricted, athletic small forward...
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I think the idea with Nocioni or guys like that is to throw the whole MLE at them and wait and see if his team will match. Whether or not that is Bryan's strategy I dunno.
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It is still highly unlikely that we get him
1. Several teams will offer Nocioni the entire MLE.
2. The Bulls can still match.
Chance of getting him = 2.46%
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05-16-2007, 10:58 AM
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Re: Colangelo looking at a restricted, athletic small forward...
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Originally Posted by narrator
Said it before and I'll say it again: the Raptors should break the bank for Nocioni. He's PERFECT for this team.
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How can we break the bank when we can only offer the MLE, which will certainly be offered by other teams. What pieces are there for the Bulls to like in a SNT if we want to go over?
But I like your enthusiasm, and chances of getting Nocioni have raised to 2.79%.
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05-16-2007, 11:48 AM
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Re: Colangelo looking at a restricted, athletic small forward...
I would like to get Marvin Williams from ATL. Doubt it happens, but they need a PG, what about Ford for Williams? We bring over Ukic to backup Calderon...won't happen but we can always dream..lol
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