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Dee-Zy · 06-29-2007, 07:27 PM

As much as we love Bosh, he is not that good, he is still a distant 4th from Melo, Bron and Wade, Melo has been increasingly getting closer to Bron and Wade but Bosh is far away.

Bosh is a stats whore in the sense that he may be a 20/10 player but I don't see his impact being that great, he is not and will never be the scorer Melo is, will never be close to Bron's level but that can be understandable and he will never take over games or be as explosive as Wade.

Bottom line is, Bosh needs to step the **** up. He has shown improvement, but not enough. I still don't see him as carrying the raps on his shoulders, I remember the game winning 3 he had against webber and a few times where he would deliver mid range facial on players, but his shot isn't good enough and he still is not a low post threat on offense. He has shown defensive and rebounding improvement since playing international ball, but still.

My biggest problem with Bosh is that he cannot create his own shot like he should. With Melo, Bron and Wade, you can just dump the ball to them and something will happend, not quite the same thing with Bosh. Whether it is because we don't dump the ball enough to him or he isn't assertive enough, I think he was playing very well with CV, they complemented each other very well and maybe because CV was playing with a chip on his shoulder, I felt that he was coasting less 2 years ago, maybe it was also because we had a weaker team so he had to do more, but anyways.

Right now, I don't see bosh reaching the TD level, I see him still as a poor man KG, a player that does not have a killer instinct and will always achieve mediocricity. I understand that it has to a lot to do with who you have surrounding you, but for instance, I think Gnani has a much better offensive knack than Bosh. I want to see Bosh take over game and get that killer instinct, I want to see more isntances where he was screaming "GIVE ME THE BALL" running back on Defense whether it was after a basket or not, whether he had a touch or not.

sorry, I'm done rambling, but I need Bosh to make better leaps than this.

Dee-Zy · 06-29-2007, 07:27 PM

Maybe I'm overeacting...

How long did it take Amare to be Amare and KG to be KG? We need Bosh on the same level as Amare, NOW.

**Diable** · 06-29-2007, 07:34 PM

How about Sean May and Adam Morrison then.Just like Kobe says.Ship his *** out!

**speedythief** · 06-29-2007, 08:16 PM

First year: All Rookie Team
Second year: new franchise player
Third year: All-Star, Team USA
Fourth year: All-Star, Team USA, All-NBA Second Team
Fifth year: ???

Pretty sure we're going to see yet another level next season. Don't start to worry, now.

**Oldmangrouch** · 06-29-2007, 08:28 PM

29 other teams would be happy to take him off your hands!

RickyBlaze · 06-29-2007, 11:13 PM

Lets think about Chris Bosh, a skinny tall kid from Texas. He has never has had an NBA body, and wasnt nearly as developed physically as Bron, Wade or even Melo when they entered the league the same year, yet he can STILL be placed in the same sentence with them. Even with the dismal Canadian media coverage, and the not near enough coverage of the Raptors in the States there is a buzz about his talent around the league. Chris Bosh is a marketable, talented and young NBA superstar (in Canada atleast).

Is Chris Bosh on the same level talent wise as Bron, Wade and Melo? I don't think so, but he is also a big man and comparing bigs to guards and 3's doesn't always hold alot of weight. He's not as explosive as Amare, doesn't play D like Duncan, and doesn't have the court vision like KG. But hes Chris Bosh, and hes just what the Raptors need.

I do think that Bargnani will be a star on this team as well, and as long as this is Chris' and Andrea's (and Colangelo's) team then I think its in good hands.

shookem · 06-29-2007, 11:14 PM

DZ

You're crazy man. Ok, he's not as clutch as the guys you mentioned but c'mon the guy is a game changer, he just needs to learn how to compose himself under playoff pressure. That's all.
Hopefully he comes out with something to prove this season.

seifer0406 · 06-29-2007, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dee-Zy

Maybe I'm overeacting...

How long did it take Amare to be Amare and KG to be KG? We need Bosh on the same level as Amare, NOW.

Microfracture surgery, I think I'll pass on that. I don't understand your comparison between the 2. Bosh is a franchise player, Amare isn't. Until Amare proves that he can lead a team without Nash, I would take Bosh over him any day of the week. Being a franchise player is more than just what the guy does on the court, Bosh's personality and leadership is just as valuable.

TheTruth34 · 06-30-2007, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dee-Zy

As much as we love Bosh, he is not that good, he is still a distant 4th from Melo, Bron and Wade, Melo has been increasingly getting closer to Bron and Wade but Bosh is far away.

Bosh is a stats whore in the sense that he may be a 20/10 player but I don't see his impact being that great, he is not and will never be the scorer Melo is, will never be close to Bron's level but that can be understandable and he will never take over games or be as explosive as Wade.

Bottom line is, Bosh needs to step the **** up. He has shown improvement, but not enough. I still don't see him as carrying the raps on his shoulders, I remember the game winning 3 he had against webber and a few times where he would deliver mid range facial on players, but his shot isn't good enough and he still is not a low post threat on offense. He has shown defensive and rebounding improvement since playing international ball, but still.

My biggest problem with Bosh is that he cannot create his own shot like he should. With Melo, Bron and Wade, you can just dump the ball to them and something will happend, not quite the same thing with Bosh. Whether it is because we don't dump the ball enough to him or he isn't assertive enough, I think he was playing very well with CV, they complemented each other very well and maybe because CV was playing with a chip on his shoulder, I felt that he was coasting less 2 years ago, maybe it was also because we had a weaker team so he had to do more, but anyways.

Right now, I don't see bosh reaching the TD level, I see him still as a poor man KG, a player that does not have a killer instinct and will always achieve mediocricity. I understand that it has to a lot to do with who you have surrounding you, but for instance, I think Gnani has a much better offensive knack than Bosh. I want to see Bosh take over game and get that killer instinct, I want to see more isntances where he was screaming "GIVE ME THE BALL" running back on Defense whether it was after a basket or not, whether he had a touch or not.

sorry, I'm done rambling, but I need Bosh to make better leaps than this.

dood im shocked to here something this stupid come out of a wise person like yourself's mouth.

Bosh is good and has a chance to better than Amare. Hes real close right now its just that Bosh plays for the Raps and Amare plays for the Suns thats all.

Believe me if you're willing to trade Amare for Bosh we'll do it.

ATLien · 06-30-2007, 11:09 AM

Put KG with Colangelo + smart drafting and he has a ring

flushingflash · 06-30-2007, 11:32 AM

bargnani is much more of NATURAL scorer than bosh.

SkywalkerAC · 06-30-2007, 04:14 PM

Bosh can't create his own shot? Are you insane? He demands space by virtue of his first step - creating an open shot simply by receiving the ball. If you play up on him he'll go by you and finish or draw the foul or pump fake and get you off your feet. He scores at a very good rate against single coverage and has learned quickly to pass out of double teams. And yes, he's going to get better.

Onions, Baby · 06-30-2007, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dee-Zy

As much as we love Bosh, he is not that good, he is still a distant 4th from Melo, Bron and Wade, Melo has been increasingly getting closer to Bron and Wade but Bosh is far away.

Bosh is a stats whore in the sense that he may be a 20/10 player but I don't see his impact being that great, he is not and will never be the scorer Melo is, will never be close to Bron's level but that can be understandable and he will never take over games or be as explosive as Wade.

Bottom line is, Bosh needs to step the **** up. He has shown improvement, but not enough. I still don't see him as carrying the raps on his shoulders, I remember the game winning 3 he had against webber and a few times where he would deliver mid range facial on players, but his shot isn't good enough and he still is not a low post threat on offense. He has shown defensive and rebounding improvement since playing international ball, but still.

My biggest problem with Bosh is that he cannot create his own shot like he should. With Melo, Bron and Wade, you can just dump the ball to them and something will happend, not quite the same thing with Bosh. Whether it is because we don't dump the ball enough to him or he isn't assertive enough, I think he was playing very well with CV, they complemented each other very well and maybe because CV was playing with a chip on his shoulder, I felt that he was coasting less 2 years ago, maybe it was also because we had a weaker team so he had to do more, but anyways.

Right now, I don't see bosh reaching the TD level, I see him still as a poor man KG, a player that does not have a killer instinct and will always achieve mediocricity. I understand that it has to a lot to do with who you have surrounding you, but for instance, I think Gnani has a much better offensive knack than Bosh. I want to see Bosh take over game and get that killer instinct, I want to see more isntances where he was screaming "GIVE ME THE BALL" running back on Defense whether it was after a basket or not, whether he had a touch or not.

sorry, I'm done rambling, but I need Bosh to make better leaps than this.

I'm sorry but in the words of Herman Edwards - this whole conversation bothers me.

First of all, I think Bosh is BETTER than Melo at this point in their careers. Duncan and Kevin Garnett have never been the "scorer" that Melo, Wade and Bron are - yet can all arguably be considered better. Step the **** up? That's why we were 47-35 and first in the Atlantic - 'cuz of Bosh. Hasn't shown enough improvement? From 12/7 to 17/9 to 22/9 to 23/10? Pretty steady increases if ya ask me. He's also handled himself as good (or possibly even better) than LBJ, Wade, and Melo thus far. His shot is perfectly fine, he's shooting 49.6% from the field for god's sake. Can't create his own shot? Like someone said above me (forget who, sorry)... His first step warrants defensive changes to adjust to his superb quickness for a big. He also gets to the line 9-10 times a game, which clearly means he's eating up opposing defenders off the dribble. 41 points vs Orlando is a pretty good "take-over" of a game.

Bosh is better than Amare is right now too.

Thanks.

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