Jizzy

Etan Thomas is better Rasho and Haywood. He would be an excellent fit at starting Center for this team.

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seifer0406

How much better? It's hard to say if he's better at all.

You know what you will get with Rasho, you can't say the same about the other 2.

Jizzy

Cmon, get serious. Rasho is not the answer. This is the same guy who played the first two minutes of the game in the Nets series and never saw the floor again because he's a stiff, a plain stiff.

Etan Thomas would be a PERFECT fit next to Bosh. He is a tremendous rebounder and shotblocker and can really play physical defense. He's also a high energy guy and a good citizen. This is the type of hustle big that Toronto lacks especially seeing them get manhandled in the paint. No muscle upfront.

Haywood is a punk and not the guy you need. He is slow, unathletic and would not last in an uptempo game but still, he is better then Rash.

The order should go like this: Etan - Haywood - Rasho

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As any educated basketball fan should know, matchups determine rotations. There was no need for Rasho being out there when he is matched up with Mikki Moore or Jason Collins, not exactly fearsome inside players. To base all of your judgement on one series just isn't that convincing as you clearly did not see any of the quality games Rasho had over the course of the season. Haywood and Etan Thomas are only slightly better than Rasho on the defensive ends (according to their stats anyway) and gives up a lot on the offensive end as neither possess the passing ability or range that Rasho has. The Raptors last year were at their best when they were sharing the ball and getting everyone open shots. That kind of game doesn't just grow on trees, it's through having placing enough smart players on the court that gives you this brand of basketball.

Again, with Rasho the Raptors know what they are going to get both on the court and off the court. The possible reward just isn't that great for the risk that you need to take in this case.

Jizzy

SO, he might not have been needed gainst Mikki and Collins but the Raps sure as hell need an inside presence offensively or defensively, moreso blocking shots and rebounding. He did neither. There's a reason why he was benched in SA.

Whatever, if Rasho is what you need, keep what you get out of him.

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seifer0406

The Raptors were more successful going small, Rasho did not fit the game plan.

Again, I'm not saying he's a allstar or something like that. I just don't see how Brendan Haywood or Etan Thomas fits this team better or are better players for that matter.

BCH

That's right! Just ask Avery Johnson. Actually matchups don't always determine rotations for you, occassionally the other team will have to match up to you.

I personally don't like Etan or Haywood, but I still think they are both better options than Rasho. Just my opinion.

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You can't always win small. The Raps goal should be to win the EC and I don't understand why they are piling up on wing players. From what I saw in the first round, the Raps frontcourt kept getting pushed around inside. Now, granted I've seen Etan Thomas play for a while, through his injured years in Wash. to him breaking out and this guy would be a great fit next to Bosh. Honestly, he could be had for cheap and with all of the spare wings Tor. is carrying, an Anthony parker for Etan trade would work. Losing Parker would hurt but you'd gain a need.

You're telling me a frontcourt of Bosh, Etan, Bargnani, Garbajosa and maybe an extra big would not contend in the East?

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You can't rotate what you don't have. Eventually it comes down to what kind of players you have at your disposal and how you use these players. Dallas did not have a post up threat anywhere in their lineup thus making them vulnerable to small ball. NJ is similar to them in that regard. Just for the record, had Etan Thomas or Brendan Haywood been on our team during the Nets series, chances are either of them would be on the bench watching Bargnani. Basically, that NJ series was just a bad example for anything.

Jizzy, where did I say that the Raptors always try to win small? You said Rasho had a crappy series against NJ and I say it's because he didn't fit Raptors' game plan for that series. Rasho had his good share of effective games throughout the season, he probably had more impact games than either Etan Thomas or Brendan Haywood last year minus the drama. An Anthony Parker for Etan Thomas trade would just be retarded. We lose our best perimeter player for an inside presence that has a career average of 6 and 5.



Yeah, Etan Thomas is the difference maker in that group of players. A do or die situation here, truly breath taking.

You know that Jason Kidd and Jason Collins makes the Nets a dangerous team? Ever since they got Vince Carter from Toronto to pair up with Jason Collins, the Nets really turned the corners. Now that they have resigned Vince and still have Jason Collins, they are the team to beat in the Atlantic.

Dee-Zy

giving up AP for Etan? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Dude is our leading 3pt shooter, he is #5 3pt shooter in the league, our best defender, and we will give him up for Etan Thomas?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAAA

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You just signed the best three point shooter in the NBA.

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You said the Raptors are best when they go small, which is not a formula to win. Going small against a Nets team would be just dumb, since they themselves are a small team. Rasho doesn't fit the Raptors, atleast as a starter ad even during the regular season. The Raptors played there best using a combo of Bosh/Garbajosa, Bosh/Bargnani, Bosh/Humphries. I honestly don't know what you see in the guy.

What are you talking about?

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Ok, even then, our best defender for Etan Thomas? no. AP is like the second best player on the raps right now. I think he is as good or might even be better than Raja Bell, he shoots the 3 better and I think can defend as well.

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