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chocolove · 07-30-2007, 08:44 PM

whats scarier, PHX's big 3 or Boston's? I was freaking out at first but now that I thought about it for a bit a lot of teams have put to together teams of good players that sometimes dont pan out so maybe the Raps still have a fighting chance to win the division

R-X · 07-30-2007, 09:21 PM

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Yeah. Everybody thought the raps would be under .500 last year too. Listen, if Boston had any bench, I would agree they would be a force. But they don't. Everyone in this place puts no value on the most important and aspects of this game. It's like you're building a fantasy team or in franchise mode on your PS3.

"Well I don't need subs as I don't play with subs. I don't need a PG, I just bring the ball up with Pierce and play iso on every play"

I said it before, Boston will be better, but I don't care who you are. No one can be effective playing so much for so long. It has to end sometime. Butch Carter warned against playing players more than 35-38 mins. MJ in his 2nd dynasty never played 40 minutes a night at his most fit and dominant. (Not that he couldn't do it when needed).

I always remember back to when Florida won the championship back about 7 or 8 years ago. Duke had the studs, but coach K always had a short bench. Florida ran with 9 or 10 athletes. Smoked'em.

I know the differences between the two games. But there is no way these 3 guys can play 40 mins a night and stay healthy at this point in their careers. Someone is going down unless Ainge can get some decent fill-ins. Good luck. Look at that salary structure, then look at them for the majority of the winners over the last decade.

I'm going to be interested to watch. They will be better, but they were what 2nd worst?. KG is not Shaq of 2 years ago, that bench is horrific, but nobody cares. Its all about the names and winning the press conference.

You guys can think what you like. I don't care.

For the record...I think the Raps will have a better record then the Celtics...but man...they will be NASTY in the playoffs so long as no one goes down...look at Phoenix...you really don't need a bench to do damage...

Hell look at NJ last year...they creamed us without a bench...

Bench depth is over-rated in the playoffs...its all about who has the best 5 as a unit out there

seifer0406 · 07-30-2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by chocolove

whats scarier, PHX's big 3 or Boston's? I was freaking out at first but now that I thought about it for a bit a lot of teams have put to together teams of good players that sometimes dont pan out so maybe the Raps still have a fighting chance to win the division

If you're just comparing trios, I would take Phoenix's 3 of Marion, Amare, and Nash over Allen, Pierce, KG. The main factor being Steve Nash. Having Nash makes your entire team better, something that Boston needs.

The Suns are still a far superior team compare to the Celtics. With the addition of Grant Hill, they are even a better team than last year.

lucky777s · 07-31-2007, 05:27 AM

KG is not an inside force so the Celts are basically a jumpshooting team with no power game. Perkins is an OK center but no offensive game, and behind him they have nothing.

They also don't have a legit nba starting PG. No C and no PG essentially makes them the Raps of a few years ago with VC.

They will be better but nowhere near title contenders. They don't worry me at all. If the Raps have plans to be contenders in the East this Boston team is much less a worry than Chicago, Detroit, Miami, or even Cleveland/Washington.

I would put Boston in the same category as NJ where there are big names but no chance to really contend. If the Raps cant deal with that then we might be better off falling into the lottery again and picking up another asset.

narrator · 07-31-2007, 06:22 AM

Here's an interesting article on KG's trade kicker. The most relevant part is this:

"Garnett's salary for next season is $22 million and the trade kicker is $6.75 million, meaning that Boston would have to accommodate $28.75 million in salary and send out at least $22.92 million in a trade if Garnett is to receive the full bonus.

"But the latest incarnation of the trade is believed to include the following five Celtics for a total of $18,921,547: Al Jefferson, Theo Ratliff, Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair and Ryan Gomes. If no other Celtics are added to the deal, Boston could only take back $23,751,934 in salary, meaning Garnett would have to consent to waiving nearly $5 million of his trade kicker … $4,998,066 to be exact.

"Garnett's take-home trade bonus would thus be reduced to $1,751,934."

I didn't realize that's how old (i.e. pre-current CBA) trade kickers worked. So it only make them virtually untradebale rather than completely untradeable.

I expect confirmation of this trade later today. If it happens, this is excellent for Boston for the next 2-5 years (depending on health). And this is also good for the Raptors. The gauntlet has been thrown down. Every single Raptor should be extra pumped up for every single division game, what with the playoff loss to the Nets and now the Big 3 in Boston. I can't wait to see Bosh taking Perkins off the dribble and Calderon hitting a huge 3 and breaking out his giant grin and Bargnani just destroying people.

seifer0406 · 07-31-2007, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by lucky777s

KG is not an inside force so the Celts are basically a jumpshooting team with no power game. Perkins is an OK center but no offensive game, and behind him they have nothing.

They also don't have a legit nba starting PG. No C and no PG essentially makes them the Raps of a few years ago with VC.

Beside Knicks, there isn't another team in the East that has much of an inside game, I don't see how it would be a determining factor for the Celtics. You can probably count the Magic but all Dwight Howard can do is bump and dunk. I would take KG as my inside guy over pretty much anyone else in the East including Bosh, and that's a Raptor fan speaking.

Getting KG immediately puts the Celtics into the upper echelon of the East and I'm afraid to say, above the Raptors. However, that is only on paper as team chemistry and injury can really change a lot of things. But if everything goes according to plan for the Celtics, I wouldn't like our chances if we meet the Celtics come next April.

lucky777s · 07-31-2007, 06:44 AM

by that logic the US 'dream teams' should still be undefeated.

Forget about the star power and the advertisements and bloated stats on bad teams. Even if all 3 average 20ppg they still have to come up with about 40 more points to contend with the Raps offense because I don't see any defensive stoppers in that group.

Is KG going to shut down Bosh or Bargs. Nope. Is Perkins? Nope. We have deadly shooters at every position, with backups who are almost as good or better than the starters. We shouldn't have major cold streaks. And we shoot foul shots extremely well too.

Our team D may even be better than the C's.

icehawk · 07-31-2007, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by lucky777s

They also don't have a legit nba starting PG. No C and no PG essentially makes them the Raps of a few years ago with VC.

Make that 3 VCs.

R-X · 07-31-2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by lucky777s

by that logic the US 'dream teams' should still be undefeated.

Forget about the star power and the advertisements and bloated stats on bad teams. Even if all 3 average 20ppg they still have to come up with about 40 more points to contend with the Raps offense because I don't see any defensive stoppers in that group.

Is KG going to shut down Bosh or Bargs. Nope. Is Perkins? Nope. We have deadly shooters at every position, with backups who are almost as good or better than the starters. We shouldn't have major cold streaks. And we shoot foul shots extremely well too.

Our team D may even be better than the C's.

Bosh isnt the problem...its the rest of the team...if u recall last year's playoffs...they focused entirely on taking Bosh out of the game...the rest of the team outside of TJ and Jose couldn't do a damn thing help us win...

The team has changed and I think improved, however we can't completely rely on Bosh for everything...he's good but like anyone, needs some help to make teams pay for doubling him.

Junkyard Dog13 · 07-31-2007, 10:26 AM

Gaurding these 3

Parker on Allen
garbajosa/Kapono on Pierce
bosh on garnett

They will be unable to match Ford & bargnani mathup wise

narrator · 07-31-2007, 11:54 AM

The deal's apparently done. Jefferson, Telfair, Green, Gomes, Ratliff and 2 first rounders for Garnett. (http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/celtics/?p=119)

This is a good deal for the Celts.

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They will be unable to match Ford & bargnani mathup wise

I agree with that.

EDIT: Green was added; I forgot him.

narrator · 07-31-2007, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkyard Dog13

Gaurding these 3

Parker on Allen
garbajosa/Kapono on Pierce
bosh on garnett

They will be unable to match Ford & bargnani mathup wise

Pierce would go for 200 points on Kapono.

**bigbabyjesus** · 07-31-2007, 12:21 PM

Oh, they added Gomes too? That hurts there depth a lot. Now they are desperate for someone to come off the bench.

TRON · 07-31-2007, 12:24 PM

I like this deal for the Atlantic division, no more titanc references and a newly highened sense of competition. The Battle should be very intereting.

Even without a starting PG or lowpost threat to mention, the Celtics will be a very good team. This sets the Celtics up for a future trade IMO, you can't devote 60 million to three players and not one of them being a center/PG. Pierce should be able to fetch a nice PG.....then Boston will be scary.

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