Tristan

I'll believe that when Earl Boykins catches up to Shawn Bradleys height.

As of right now, Tmac is without a doubt better than Vince. Vince WAS but not anymore. I dont know what the thread started was thinking.

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Idunkonyou

When did Carter average 32 points a game for a season? When did Carter put up numbers like 30+pts/6+rbs/5+asts, which only 8 other players in NBA history have done besides McGrady? When did Carter ever make 1st team all NBA?

Oh and do you actually think McGrady likes getting low seeds? His team before Gooden and Giricek wasn't that great. After those two came to Orlando, the Magic posted the 2nd best record in the east after the allstar game. Still those two are only rookies.

If you want to blame any one for the Magic failures over the last 3 years, blame management. They have made some pretty terrible decisions over the past 3 years. If you just look at some of the players they have either let go or traded for nothing, the Magic would have already went to the NBA finals by now if they would have kept them.

At least now Devos has given the green light to spend, spend, spend so hopefully Gabe and Doc can get some talent around McGrady the next few years.

Also, the 2nd round isn't deep into the playoffs. Carter has only led his team to the playoffs twice. The 1st time he got swept and the 2nd time he did get into the 2nd round, but it took 5 games to get past the declining Knicks.

jawn100

Getting to the first round of the playoffs in the eastern conference is nothing to brag about. The top seeds in the east are mediocre and the bottom few...I dont care who your supporting cast is...if you cant even win a round in the eastern conference even if you are by yourself you deserve the overated reputation.

And true Vince guiding the raps to the second round is only 1 round deeper than the first but he was in a seventh game with a last second shot to take them to the e.finals. He was dropping 50 like it was nothing that series and he was by himself. I love how you guys want to base everything on personal stats and cool little highlight film plays...you play the game to win...ask Herm. People act like thats not even important these days.

BobbyDigital32

It seems to me that the person that wrote this thread just wanted a reaction from everyone. I dont think he actually meant it. At least I hope not.

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Dathomieyouhate

mac might be a better player but he will never win ****..

Idunkonyou

Sorry but it doesn't matter what conference your in, if your by yourself, your not going very far. On top of that, the Magic have been out matched every time they have made it to the playoffs in the McGrady era. It is amazing the Magic even won a game in his 1st 2 series. They should have beaten the Pistons because they were up 3-1 (which in the old days would have been 2nd round), but as a young team they got over confident and thought they had won when they still had one game to go. Happens to a lot of young teams so it was no surprise the Pistons came back to win.

Oh and Carter wasn't dropping 50 like it was nothing. He did it one game. You make it sound like he averaged that for the series, which he didn't. Not even close.

Idunkonyou

We shall see. All the Magic really need is a decent PG and a decent center. They already have 3 good/great young players in place (McGrady, Giricek and Gooden). Now they just need to add the pieces around those 3.

Pinball

Never say never. People were saying the same thing about Jordan in the mid 80's and look how that turned out. I don't expect TMac to win 6 rings but I'd be shocked if he doesn't lead his team to the Finals one of these years.

jawn100

Magic overmatched? Please. If your a superstar you should be able to carry your team for 3 now 4 games in the first round. What, you all want the magic to add a couple of allsars so T-mac can finally win a first round series? . Show me the last time t-mac hit a meaningful shot or better yet...show me the last time he played in a halfway meaningful game. You cant be considered a mega-superstar in one breath and then not be expected to lead your team to a FIRST ROUND playoff victory in a terribly weak conference. Geez...i should feel sorry for the guy for not playing on a team of all-stars. I'll take a healthy Vince anyday. Case closed.

Idunkonyou

So I guess your saying that since Jordan's teams were over matched his 1st 4 years leading the Bulls in the playoffs, he should have been able to at least get them 3 wins (his team was swept every series the 1st 4 years he made the playoffs in the 1st round by the way)?

And who said anything about the Magic adding allstars around McGrady? I'd be happy with a decent starting lineup and some depth, which McGrady has yet to have around him in Orlando. They are on the right path by adding Giricek and Gooden. Hopefully they will put to good use the DPE, MLE, VPE and 15th pick they have this offseason.

Kid04

I think G-Unit01 is Vince trying to prove he is still better than TMac

When Philli and Toronto were playing? wasnt that the Eastern Conference finals, where Carter missed the 3 to win Game 7 or was that the 2nd round?

Idunkonyou

It was the 2nd round. The 76ers played the Bucks in the Conference finals that year.

888

damn everytime when i thought about it, i feel......DAMN !!!!!! vince carter really is the modern day bill walton, dude has technically play only 5 years in the league, and already sit out for 2 years, isnt that amazing ??

vince carter really is like a flower, open and shine in a split second in the morning and then slowly fade away.
i doubted that a 100 percent vince is as good as t mac, its a close call though, but still t mac is taller, a little quicker, a better ball handling, a much better consistent shooter from all angel on the court, i would say t mac is a better overall player than a 100 percent vince.


i want to ask you guys one thing, how many of you here still see him as a SUPERSTAR, and is he a superstar by popular demand as for now or he still has the actual skills as a superstar.
?????

tidho

At what? T-Ball? Golf? Pie eating contests? Rehabbing injuries? Speaking French? Clint Eastwood impressions? Stunt driving? Long division? Gardening? Certainly not basketball.

888

lmfao, i think t mac can beat vince on everything that you have just named except lets say ummmmmm, rehabbing injuries.