BallBiologist

come on..t-mac was a rookie back then when he was playing with vince..

Anyways I don't even have to comment since every person in their right mind knows who is better.

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SWiSHer2.0

DUDES, I can't belive what y'all are saying. Vince is better then Tmac??!?! Tmac is better then Vince??!?! SWiSHer2.0 will have to pump up his 5 year old no air basketball and show you all what skill is. lol

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numb555

Correction:Tmac is in the league longer than Vince.

I thought Vince was better b4 all the injuries. But right now its not even close, Tmac owns Vince *Mommy wat i do* Carter. Vince, just doesn't have any heart! he doesn't have that selfish mentality and the Raptors need that!

Pinball

A couple of years ago my cousin and I were arguing about who was better-Vince or Kobe? This was when Vince won the slam dunk contest and his popularity exploded. I said Kobe and stated my reasons. I believed he was a better playmaker on offense and a much better defender. Then I said TMac would be better than Vince in a few years. I saw some of the same attributes in TMac that I did in Kobe. Great ballhandler and passer, great defender, and tremendous overall skills. I just didn't think he was the scorer that Kobe was. 3 years later, TMac is just as good, if not better, as a scorer, just as good a playmaker, but not as good a defender as Kobe. I thought TMac's D was what seperated him from Vince and would catapult him to the top in the future. However, he's become such a good scorer that his D isn't quite as important now.

D5

I agree.

Vince Carter / Tracy McGrady

PPG: 20.6 / 32.1
RPG: 4.4 / 6.5
APG: 3.3 / 5.5
SPG: 1.12 / 1.65
BPG: .95 / .79
FG%: .467 / .457
FGM-A: 355-760 / 829-1,813
FT%: .806 / .793
FTM-A: 129-160 / 576-726
3P%: .344 / .386
3PM-A: 45-131 / 173-448
MPG: 34.2 / 39.4

As you can see Carter leads THREE categories. Very good player, I see.

O-Town Playa

*yawn*

Gotta love bitter Toronto fans. Just be glad you even have a team.

IMO, people should be banned for making posts like these. It makes the board look bad.

tinygiant

"Just be glad you even have a team"? What the hell does that mean?

By the way, I'm not in agreement with the thread starter, I just thought that comment was idiotic.

Crossword

And like this post made you look good?

Like I said, this guy is only one Raptor fan... the rest of us clearly know who the better of the two is.

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Bball_Doctor

People have to remember that TMac is 2 years younger than Vince and came in only one year earlier. That is why it is an illusion to compare them in their first couple seasons. By their third year together there was no question who was the better player...Vince. But TMac always had more potential. He could do more things on the court than Vince. When TMac went to Orlando it was a surprised how much he improved on his shooting. Once he did that he moved infront of Vince. IMO TMac became a better player than VC ever since the middle of his first season in Orlando. I will and have always said that TMac is easily the most improved player I have ever seen from the first day he stepped onto an NBA court until now. But that is not to say that Vince is bad at all. Even with those injuries VC is still a very good player capable of taking over a game with his offense just not as consistent. Vince was really starting to put up great offensive numbers (23.5 ppg in March) again until he unfortunately got injured. If Vince can get back from his injuries he will still be a big time offensive force. But his peers like Kobe, TMac, and Pierce have separated themselves especially the first two from Vince. I don't think Vince can ever get back to the level he once was especially in fans' minds because there is always the fear of him getting injured again. But if he develops the attitude and desire (which I have questioned a number of times) that Kobe or TMac don't count Vince out...if healthy he still is a legit allstar talent.

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I saw the title of this thread and I LAUGHED! Hahahaha....

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Seanzie

No way is Vince better than T-Mac, unless he proves something next year, which I don't think he will, but I think he'll play at least 75 games, and show he isn't the next Penny.

You guys also have to remember, T-Mac has back problems, so it's not like he's the most durable guy either. He's been known to miss time too, not as much as Vince, but he does miss games. Thinking about it, the whole injury thing kind of negates itself, which just proves how much T-Mac is better.

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ballocks

who's better than who arguments are foolish, in my opinion. there are so many other things to consider. that said, i think basketball fans jump on bandwagons too quickly (like most sports fans). it's easy to say vince is terrible given what injuries have done to his perception over the past 2 seasons. it was also easy to say how great he was when he seemed to be overshadowing t-mac in 1999-00. the point is that vince, as of this moment in time, is nowhere near t-mac (in terms of how he is perceived). however, given how quickly things change, i think that next season could flip that conclusion completely. what verdict is being perceived "now" is often only temporary- and will probably not last long in the courts of basketball fanhood.

fans everywhere jump on and off bandwagons like there's no tomorrow. saying t-mac is better than vince right now (or having said the opposite in 2000) means very little to me. their values as players could never be fully expressed by considering any single moment in time. i don't think it's wise to oversimplify the issue.

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jawn100

^true. Fans, writers are too trendy.

But people must acknowledge the double standard with players like t-mac and garnett. You guys act like we should feel sorry for them for having no supporting cast but at the same time we're supposed to believe they are the greatest things since jordan. If your so great you can at least win a series yourself. c'mon. I just don't like great players with rings(Kobe, shaq, Duncan) getting overshadowed by great players w/o. i dont care who you are, who you play with or what sick numbers you put up. If you cant get your team into the second round of the playoffs i have trouble really taking you seriously.

Vince isn't healthy so its hard to make the comparison but people act like they're doctors and know that vince can never be the player that he once was. and you'all downplay what kind of player he was prior to injuries.

Kings fan btw

Idunkonyou

Well I still considered Jordan to be a great player his 1st 5 years in the NBA, when his team was getting destroyed in the playoffs. He was doing everything, while his teammates sucked it up.

Oh and sorry to tell the person above me ^^^^^^, but great players can't win series by themselves. Maybe games, but not series. I have yet to see one player take a entire team on his back, with little to no help at all and win a series or a championship for that matter.

This is why basketball is a team sport. You sound like your talking about bowling or golf or tennis or some other non-team sport. Jordan, Bird, Magic, Dr. J, Russell, etc were all great players, but they won titles because they were on great teams with other good to great players.

carayip

Well said.