open mike

This is stupid. The question isnt

"Who has had the better season this year?"

Its

"Who, is overall the better player?"


I can do just the same and take Vinces best season, and Tmacs worst season and prove you wrong. I can even take both their rookie seasons and prove you wrong, but that is unfair to Tmac.

Vince has 2 years on Tracy.
but
Tracy has a year on Vince, in the NBA.

If a good player gets his team closer to a championship, the better player will be the one who got his team closer to a championship...


Vince = 15 career playoff games- Got his team to the 2nd round, and one shot away from conference finals.
Tracy = 18 career playoff games- Has got his team to the playoffs more than Vince (but not really...)


Lets Compare Career Stats!


YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
Tracy:
Career 420 280 32.6 .453 .361 .748 2.10 4.40 6.50 3.9 1.31 1.26 2.11 2.00 20.3
Vince:
Career 310 308 37.8 .454 .387 .782 2.00 3.40 5.40 3.7 1.36 1.08 2.20 3.00 24.1

Here, TMAC only leads in 3 categories..

Now, for the whole "Vince has no heart arguement"

You are talking about the player that cried after beating the Sacramento Kings in his first game back after a regular season game. This is the same guy who is spending half his summer working on his game and bulking up the 15 pounds he lost from his injuries. The other half, he finds time to help under privelaged kids live normal lifestyles in his hometown daycamps (see toronto raptors forum). Talk about setting a good example..

Im not leaning towards any of these players im just simply stating the facts. I personally think next season will be very helpful to an arguement such as this one.. but still there is much more factors to consider..

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jawn100

Great players can't win series by themselves?

c'mon didn't we just see AI take a bunch of mediocre players to the NBA Finals a few years ago or was i just imagining that? AI had NO help on offense and still got it done that year.

IV

Allen took the 76ers to the finals along with:
the coach of the year
the defensive player of the year
and the sixth man of the year

They weren't exactly mediocre were they?

Too many fans used the cliche' "his teammates suck."
Orlando two years ago, finished with the 4th best record in the Eastern Conference, they didn't suck any more than the Hornets who had the same record and eventually beat them in the first round. And they sucked so bad this year that they managed to get a 3 games to 1 lead on the best team in the conference and lose 3 straight games. The "my favorite players teammates suck" argument is an overrated crutch for the fans of players like Tmac and KG.

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yo2255

vince carter is worthless compared to TMAC. the guy isnt even on the floor enough to be a factor. technically, the ball boy is more of a factor, because at least he gets on he floor once and a while and dries off the wet spots, therefore having an effect, however small, on the game. tmac is prolific in every way, a team player, and versatile. he can do it all. and he's younger than vince carter. if im starting a team, im taking TMAC over Vin-sanity

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O-Town Playa

Open mike, not leaning toward any player? That's BS. All I have to do is look at where you're from. Nice try. But the facts are facts, VC isn't even half the player T-Mac IS (as in present tense) and that's all that matters, and don't give me the "oh he'll prove you wrong next year" crap. He won't. This is one of the dumbest thread I've ever seen.

Totally uncalled for BEEZ

"The "my favorite players teammates suck" argument is an overrated crutch for the fans of players like Tmac and KG."

And the "Kobe does everything for the Lakers and Shaq is only good at keeping the bench warm" routine is an overatted DENIAL for Kobe fans. They'll never fathom the realization that he's nothing without a certain 300 lb. gorilla. Shaq on the other hand, could win a championship with one hand tied behind his back blindfolded.

IV

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Pleaze Believe it!

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open mike

ok w/e i can say the same thing.. your from orlando. thats just a dumb thing to say.

I just posted facts..i dont know what your doing.. I jus think to say one player is better than the other when one is at his high, the others at his low, is stupid.

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Bringin power forward to the center for all of da ballers
"Ben" hustlin longer, hand in all of ya "wallace"
When he shoot on the block,its like yall gettin the trainin
Sippin Hennessey and "Chris" ever since the day he "Kaman"
The point is he the future,take guard for your own welfare
Cau"sebastian" the door no need to pay "HoTel-fair".
In a city like New York bustas is barbaric.
Breakin ankles result in more murders and "Marburry-ied."

IV

That's a good point Mike, plus dont waste your time arguing with O-town. He's just another poster on this board using that name as an alias because he's too much of a coward to use his regular username.

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O-Town Playa

Alias? This is my username. Something happened to my other name. Why do you feel the need to keep calling me kindergarten names? Isn't that against the rules? Can't think of anything more intelligent to say? Or is that not possible for you? Don't worry, you don't have to answer. Wouldn't want you to struggle trying to use those brain cells. I'll just leave you to admire your Kobe posters.

IV

It is no coincidence that you have a post count of 4 and reply to the a thread that has nothing to do with Kobe, then you bash me for being a Kobe fan. Grow up man! You didn't have the wits to out think me then so what makes you think you can now. You are a coward, just like many other posters on this site that have alternate usernames just so they make idiotic post with the intent of pissing someone off so he gets banned. You can't do that to me or anyone else for that matter because you've been exposed. And BTW, I dont have to say anything more intelligent because its not necessary, kindergarden names suit you just fine.

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BEEZ

lol

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JNice

There isn't anything that Vince Carter can do better than Tmac, except for dunking.

Vince Carter is a great player, and up there with the best in the NBA when healthy, but Tmac has clearly established himself as the better all-around player.

And as for saying that people who say Tmac's teammates suck is just using that as a crutch ... call what you will, but his supporting cast was the weakest to make it into the playoffs last season and worse than some teams that didn't even make the playoffs. A team with arguably the worst starting PG in the NBA and arguably the worst center committee in the league is not going to go far. When your options at starting C are Pat Burke, Andrew DeClerq and a 350 lb Shawn Kemp, you are in some trouble.

Kyle

It's impossible to compare Vince to T-Mac. Vince doesn't even play. So what information are you going on?

spursnraps31

When healthy they are equal players, and no you can't compare this seasons stats because VC was injured.

They both shoot a high percentage, therefore both can shoot: high 40s (45-48%)

They both can dunk very well

Both are very athletic

the one thing Tmac hasn't done compared to vince is taking his team past the first round of the playoffs....People forget Vince led his team almost single handedly to the ECF (they were stopped by philly, VC was one shot away from going to the ECF)

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i am from neither toronto or orlando, and i am a fan of neither t mac or vinsinity, but i gotta say this !!!!!!! THERES NO WAY VINSINITY A BETTER OVERALL PLAYER THAN T MAC, EVEN WHEN HES HEALTHY, t mac is taller, faster, a better defender, much much consistent shooter with range, more clutch, the only thing that vinsinity does better is he can jump higher, oh well, he wouldnt even be able to do that after all those injuries, right now i am sure t mac has more hops than vinsinity, and very soon vinsinity going to become an allan houston without the jump shot.