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Old 01-08-2008, 10:35 AM   #1 (permalink)
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i've kind of gleaned from the raptors community that, in general, people are worried right now. they may not be willing to say that they are but from the things being said/implied by seemingly everyone (not the least of whom are the players themselves- as well as the coaches, management, media and fans), we are at a very important stage here. wouldn't say critical- it's rarely critical- but this is as close as it gets for a .500 team imo.

what do we need to do? i wouldn't mind brainstorming a little bit. we can always look back on what we had to say about this later, and that could be fun (or embarrassing).

anyway, i'm not going to tell you how to answer the question. you can take any one of a number of different angles- answer it however you want to.

but here's me:

1) learn to go to the basket. as we've seen with our team, this is easier said than done, primarily because it's not in our (bargnani's and bosh's) makeup to do it. but that's an issue that should've been handled by now, imo. bargnani's absolutely uncomfortable taking a bigger man off the dribble, and always seems to me like he's doing it in fear, or in response to sam yelling at him from the bench. bosh, meanwhile, seems to do it only when he remembers to do it, or at worst when he feels like it. it's habit for neither one of them.

i would recommend a grade-school tactic from the coaches: tell these two that the only shots they are 'allowed' to take are from seven feet and in. effectively force them to go to the basket. if they have no choice, maybe that'll help to get the point across- and, in a perfect world, have it become habit for them to do it or at least consider doing it every single time they have the ball (that's the point). i personally think they're used to hoisting up jumpers (especially andrea) and that won't work with our team as long as they're our two biggest players on the floor. if we have to break those habits, we may very well have to resort to the most immature coaching techniques to do it.

of course there's the obvious argument: what if the defense is tempting them to take the jump shot? well, have you ever seen that happen? defenses are playing up on these two even 20 feet from the basket (bosh is typically doubled when he's within 10). it's fairly obvious that they want to shoot jump shots. defenses have not been tempting them to shoot; defenses have been tempting them to drive. so drive- every single time. and get used to it. if it requires losing a handful of games, so be it. with their talents, they're bound to learn to do it well and then we'll be better off. force them to learn it now, imo. throw them into the fire- because they can't seem to pick it up on their own.

2) don't leak out. to me, this is fairly straightforward. we continue to leak out on the break as if we're trying to pose a threat to the defense. unfortunately, we're not a threat anymore. teams have realized that we're weak inside, so they don't bother playing defense because they know they can... stay on offense! also, even when we do corral the ball off the glass, we have a lack of finishers on the break anyway! we run out there and pretend like we're going to do something before conceding that we can't do anything and decide to run our common offensive sets. i mean, how many fast break points does this team score? we don't. so let's stop playing this game of chicken with ourselves and instead send five bodies to the defensive glass every time. every single time. run your set every single time. you may not benefit from the one basket/game that you score on the break anymore, but we would benefit from the (at least) five to seven extra possessions we'd get off the glass, the confidence that that would instill in our players, and the roadblock that that would pose to our opponents looking to go off on a run of their own.

in other words, the "here we go again" complex is killing our team on the boards. i see no reason to game plan for a fast break (unless it's off a steal in the backcourt or jamario block in the paint) when we're totally ineffective in that part of the game- especially with tj out of the lineup, and even then...

3) get out of the corners- at least for awhile. this is a problem that i believe is generally related to our bigs' inability to attack, causing our high P&R ("15!") to be fairly impotent. teams don't respect us when we do it, and even when they do we can't capitalize. there are exceptions but that's why they are exceptions. until they become the rule we should try something else. i wouldn't mind moving our swingmen around (literally).

jamario sets the best screens of the four, imo, and i think he could free up delfino or, even better, kapono (who doesn't just shoot threes, believe it or not) by being asked to do it more often. jose (or juan) would wait for the result and move the ball swiftly. it may not get the big-on-small matchup we're looking for when we set the high screen between calderon and bosh/bargnani, but they (namely chris and andrea) can't take advantage of that anyway, so it's hardly a loss. and regardless of whether the defense switches or slides through, we would get them (our swingmen) moving. to me, that's priority number one right now. we can go back to stapling them to the corners after we, 1) begin to capitalize on our opportunities, in so doing: 2) get some respect from the defense, in so doing: 3) open up the floor for all five players.

at all times, our five players- with the exception of hump and rasho (and perhaps bosh... for now)- can move with and without the ball. we need to take advantage of these skills, i think. not every team has them, and we're currently playing as if we're one of those teams.

4) name a defensive captain. this is pretty ridiculous, i agree, but i think it could help. specifically, i'm looking in parker's direction (which is even more ridiculous, i know). as a unit, we have legit trouble communicating. we would have more trouble than most playing zone, imo, but if we man-up parker with the opposition's "weakest link" as opposed to their strongest, it could allow him to bark out commands to his teammates. most of the time he seems to have a pretty clear understanding of what's going on out there, imo and it could help if he communicated that with his teammates.

also, as we currently have it, sam mitchell is pretty much the defensive captain. but he gets too emotional at times and- i know i'll ruffle a few feathers when i say this- i think he's also pretty 'slow' in that department (contrary to common belief). what's more, the team's been hearing his voice from the sidelines for so long, i'm not sure he's getting through to them anyway. it's not fun for them anymore. since parker usually can't man up effectively with our opponent's best, and i think he gets tired by just trying (which affects the rest of his game), i think assigning him the role of de facto 'coach' out there could work- if just temporarily... and it would shake things up a little bit... and the team might even start listening to sam again when parker goes to the bench and sam becomes "defensive captain" for his 15 mins/game.

but i agree that defense is not the biggest concern right now. for one thing, i think it would improve if we could clear the defensive glass better. it's just an idea to keep in mind going forward- because it may become an issue again. in fact, i expect it to.

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i don't know, thought i'd throw those out there. what are yours?

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Old 01-08-2008, 05:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Big line?

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so can somebody sum me that in a readable format? preferably within 5 sentences?
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Old 01-09-2008, 11:12 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Your Suggestions

my bad. too long! i don't expect people to read it if they don't want to, though. i've just been thinking about this for a long time.

but mine are just the opinions of one guy. i was more interested to see what others might do. people clearly aren't satisfied and we hear a lot of complaints, but what would we change if we had the power? haven't really heard those ideas yet and i think they're key. but all i've heard is people venting.

anyway, if you've got the answer, post it here!

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I've got a very simple answer: Chris Bosh needs to stop taking 20" jumpers and go to the basket. Yes, we all know he can hit that shot, but when your team is missing everything, just go to the rack. Not only will you draw some fouls, you will slow the pace down so the other team lose momentum. You hit a 20", the other team could come back quick and score another basket.

Another thing: Andrea Bargnani should stand closer to the basket on offense. When he stands all the way out on the 3pt line, the team automatically loses a man for offensive rebounds. Additionally, when he gets the ball out there, he doesn't normally do anything with it if he doesn't shoot right away. I've seen him on numerous occasions hold onto the ball for 5 seconds and then jack up a hideous shot. We've seen him drive by defenders (and also his ugly travels) out on the 3pt line. I think if he tries that move closer to the basket it could cause some serious damage. When he wants to shoot a 3, he could always play trailer on a semi-break, or just run baseline and get open in a half-court set.

Let's not kid ourselves. Even with the success the team had last year, it was no surprise that this team, as a whole, cannot play defense. It's just that with the way the offense has been subpar this year (injuries and whatnot), the weakness is magnified.
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Defense really isn't the issue. When was the last time the Raps put up 100 pts?
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On average, our defense has not been the issue. We have a less potent offense than when Mike James was running the show. The only guy that is consistently getting open looks is Jamario, because our opponents are letting him shoot, and Jose, who only really shoots off the pick.

Gone is our "raptor's basketball" swing of the basketball for the 3 ball that everyone knows is going in. This may be missing due to TJ's disruptive offensive style but it seems that opponents are staying home on our 3-point shooters.

Which means we have to take it to the hoop.

Andrea is suspect #1. We've seen him use his quick dribble drive a few times in the last few games, which is promising. I really do think that he's only just finding his endurance now. Hopefully that will result in a little more focussed rebounding as well.

Jamario needs to position and ready himself to explode the hoop on the catch. He shouldn't have to create on this team. Bosh, Bargnani, and Jose should be feeding him for dunks. We've seen a couple of nice dishes from Jose but Bosh and Bargnani haven't begun to take advantage of Moon's finishing ability.

Start looking for the secondary break. Our primary fast break is **** right now but we need to look at the trailers, especially Bargnani (who needs to be faster up the court) and Kapono.
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I know the Raptors are only giving up about 95 points a game, but it is quite misleading. The Raptors only score about 96 points a game, so that's just a +1 difference. A high scoring team would, naturally, give up more points purely because of the game's tempo. It doesn't mean that they are inferior defensively.

For those of you who think defense is not an issue: Do you honestly have faith that a lineup of Bosh, Bargnani, Moon, Parker, Calderon can stop anyone in crunch time? We saw Lebron completely demolish the defense. We saw Chauncey Billups dominate Calderon for an entire game. We saw Rasheed Wallace drain 3 after 3. I have no faith in this team, collectively, to stop the opposition when it's down to the wire.

Don't look at the stats. Think back to all the games you've watched this season. How many times have you seen Bargnani out of position? How many times have you seen Mitchell call a time-out after a blown assignment? To me, there are only two good defenders on this team. One is Parker, the other is Delfino. The rest are either average or incompetent. Some of you would say that Moon is also a good defender. But anyone who is so over zealous and gets faked out that easily is not a good defender.

The 3 point shooting is not an issue. The Raps are still leading the league in 3pt %. I agree, however, that the ball movement we saw last season has been a rarity so far.

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I loved your post Ballocks.

My biggest concern at this point is personnel;

There is a glut of average or slightly above average talent on this roster. But there isn't enough to propel this team to a championship. I am going to break it down by PG, SF/SG, C/F. I'm not interested in proposing trade scenario I'll leave that to the pros and armchair QB's, but I would like to look at the roster's strengths and weaknesses.

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I am one of the few that likes our two headed point guard monster. Unless the opportunity to improve that position comes a long (Kidd, Nash, Paul etc) I wouldn't change our situation at that position. Retaining both could get expensive and really hurt our cap situation. If that's the case I suppose we'd have to reevaluate. Cross that bridge when we get to it. For the time being I think a healthy combonation of Jose and TJ represents our best shot.

Edit....I think it will also be important to watch how ego's play a roll at this position. Can they continue to co-exist?

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I subscribe to the belief that this position(s) represents our biggest weakness right now. There is a tremendous glut of mediocrity here. Anyone of these guys would be excellent 6-8 rotation guys on most teams. But they are just not good enough to fill all the minutes. We aren't getting enough production out of these two positions offensively, and are getting consistently exposed by star perimeter players from other teams. I would like to see BC acquire some more star power on the wing. Someone that can get into the paint consistently, defend well and contribute on the glass.


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I don't know to be honest. As I said I love Chris Bosh, but he isn't Lebron, Howard, KG, Duncan etc. He needs more support. I'm okay with that. I like the Detroit recipe for success, and Bosh can be one of the key pieces in that type of formula.

I'm more of an Andrea supporter than many. I don't take the wait and see approach, I actually like what I see in many cases. I think his man-to-man post defense is excellent, his shooting and passing speak for themselves. We need to see some improvement in his rebounding, help defense and offense in the post. I have faith in his ability to develop into an above average player. What I think it will come down to is timing; Will he develop at the right time? Can we wait for Andrea to become a good center?

I actually really like hump and think he could play another 10-12 years in this league but I don't think he's what we need. I'd like to see more of a veteran tough inside presence take those minutes. Someone in the Kurt Thomas/Charles oakley mold. Interestingly I think that could be the type of player hump becomes in this league...but he isn't there yet, and it could take years.

I'm not going to discuss Rasho, I just don't think he is going to contribute to the long term success of this franchise. Unless he takes a small contract and be the fourth or fifth big man.

Conclusion

We'll have to wait and see what happens with Jose in the off season to decide what happens with the PG position. But I'd like to see both of these guys stick around.

What I would like to see is BC trade away ANY combination of wing players/hump/rasho/draft pics to drastically improve talent at the wing position and get a veteran post player who can bring some interior toughness, rebounding and leadership that will take some of the pressure off of Andrea while he develops.

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Coles notes;

Keep tj and jose if the price is right

Trade away most or all of the wing players to improve the talent at the wing. The guys we have aren't good enough.

Keep Bosh and Bargs. Trade Hump and Rasho. Acquire a Veteran who provides interior toughness and leadership.
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I think with TJ's health being uncertain, Raptors don't have much choice other than give Calderon whatever he wants.
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With a point guard dominated system I don't think you need a star wing player. Obviously Smitch is banking on Jamario's continued development on the wing to provide the dynamic athleticism we were so lacking and I'd like to continue to get more athletic over time but right now AP is starting to play really well and we've got ample firepower off the bench. The boys just need to step up.
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We don't need a star wing player like say a Jason Richardson or Caron Butler, but we do need someone who drives the ball and is capable to go to the line when needed. TJ provided some of that, but he isn't reliable enough especially after the injury. It is likely that he will be less aggressive going to the basket when he comes back.

I think out of the 4 choices that Ballocks listed, only #2 has a chance to be really effective. I don't think the ability to go to the basket is something that a player can acquire midseason. For most players they just don't have the skills to do it. While some may eventually develop that skill, for most players if they can't do it now, they probably won't be doing it later in their careers. The same can be applied to moving guys to other areas on the floor on offense. Our team is filled with role players that are effective in certain roles. If you move guys like Parker, Moon, Kapono, and Delfino out of their comfort zone and make them do something they aren't used to, I just don't know if they can adjust and perform at the same level. We don't have the type of talent that can do multiple things on the court.

The idea of a defensive captain is interesting. Perhaps BC can also hire an assistant that specializes in defense to help Mitchell during practices.
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