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Old 01-14-2008, 10:35 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Re: Portland (22-13) at Toronto (19-17) Sunday January 13, 2008. 12:30 EST

Just wanted to say, excellent win by the Raptors. Chris Bosh really showed why he deserves to be an all star, and Calderon was very impressive as well. Even in a loss, this was one of the more entertaining games I've seen this season. Shame we only get to play each other twice a year.

I will however say I'm disappointed in Moon. I've heard great things about him and was looking forward to seeing him play, but in both Blazer/Raptor games he's been mostly unimpressive. Is he really erratic in general (most rookies are, so this wouldn't surprise me)? Or did he just happen to have 2 really unusual games against Portland?
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Old 01-14-2008, 10:36 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Re: Portland (22-13) at Toronto (19-17) Sunday January 13, 2008. 12:30 EST

i was very encouraged by this game. it was very fun to watch but there were a lot of other good signs imo.

1) i think the team has finally forgotten tj ford, or at least is not waiting for him anymore. we're learning to play with our (far) more reliable floor general leading the way and that's important. you can't grow as long as you're waiting to first plug a hole.

2) i thought chris did a half-decent job of going to the basket throughout the game, despite just two first half ft's for the team. the blazers were playing matador defense down low early on, and it would've probably been harder to get fouled than simply go inside and finish. that said, he did settle several times but that's what he does- he settles. but he's getting better. he looked like a superstar in this game.

3) the team looks healthy. finally. it took only two and a half months. leo hit the nail on the head: bosh looks much better. why it takes his legs this long to get in gear is beyond me. something we need to prevent in the future. i think the sheer talk of injuries was hurting the team early in the season, they were looking for them (= self-fulfilling prophecies)- it really is contagious- and now they look solid, ready to go. they're not waiting for them anymore. if they're waiting for anything, it's for bargnani to contribute. but even that's clearing up a little bit. they're forgetting about him like they have tj. so important.

4) moon gives this team another layer, which is key given how predictable the rest of the team is. i thought the putback dunk that he missed terrified the blazers- i think those sorts of attempts themselves have value, "geez, look what this guy can do"- and the foul on outlaw was not as criminal as some make it out to be. i thought he could've blocked the shot, actually, if he weren't thinking about not fouling the shooter, and if i were him i would've just let my instinct take over- block the shot. you've already left your feet, j. if you foul, foul, but don't let the ball go. i don't know what this team would do without his ability to help defend (and delfino's to swipe the ball in the lane).

5) chris was given two good looks to win the game. that's fantastic. he missed on both, but there was no doubting that he was going to get the ball. that's important. portland, meanwhile, weren't as sure about themselves. ok, roy hit the deep three to tie- but a lot of people are forgetting that that was off a long rebound, it was a second chance basket, a heave from 23 feet away. mcmillan did not draw that play up in the huddle. bosh is our go-to guy, that much is clear, and despite the misses i thought he learned from this game (as did our team). his reactions were generally positive, imo. his numbers might've been misleading- the guy played five quarters, really, with every single play going through him for the last 'quarter'- but that's ok. he deserves some good press.

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portland did not give us this game. we won it. that alone is enough to encourage me. and when bargnani becomes comfortable enough to leave his stamp on the floor, we'll be far more dangerous. he's not there yet.

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Old 01-14-2008, 01:31 PM   #48 (permalink)
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I will however say I'm disappointed in Moon. I've heard great things about him and was looking forward to seeing him play, but in both Blazer/Raptor games he's been mostly unimpressive. Is he really erratic in general (most rookies are, so this wouldn't surprise me)? Or did he just happen to have 2 really unusual games against Portland?
i'd actually go as far to say he is one of the most consistant rookies ive ever seen in toronto.. if you check the 1st page of the jamario thread on this toronto forum, each game of 20+ minutes, i put the stat sheets up./. very impressive & key word "consistent".

he is not a polished offensive player by any means but he is learning to play offence, so i'm not surprised you aren't impressed looking from the outside in & only witnessing 2 games, but i know you saw him foul outlaw (that would be devastating to most rookies) yet he came back big in two OT's with two big key blocks, steals & rebounds.. he finished the game with 8 rebounds from the wing.

actually if you want to think about it, he is pretty much exactly similar to Travis Outlaw .. (outlaw is more offensive minded) & jamario rebounds (slightly) better & is the superior shot blocker w/ goes with him being stuck on a defensive mindset.. tho he is learning quickly about the other end of the court..

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Re: Portland (22-13) at Toronto (19-17) Sunday January 13, 2008. 12:30 EST

People are so impatient.. it's not like Bargnani was this bad last year.
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Old 01-14-2008, 08:44 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Re: Portland (22-13) at Toronto (19-17) Sunday January 13, 2008. 12:30 EST

^thats why im glad we dont have some of these boneheaded fans as our gm..

one who would just panic because hes in a sophmore slump, and trade him off for nothing while his value is so low..

how many young europeans come in and contribute right away? not many. how many have as good a rookie season as bargnani? even less.

now, we ask him to play a position he has never played before. right now he's adjusting. we ask him to guard the opposing teams best post player every night, and he's proven he can handle that.. his rebounding is bad but thats because hes so focused on boxing out his man, that moon and bosh usually come in and take it.. i could go on and on about his game..

like i said, its an adjustment period. give the guy time for christ sakes.
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Re: Portland (22-13) at Toronto (19-17) Sunday January 13, 2008. 12:30 EST

yeah i dont know why people is so down on the guy..
the guy has so much potential.. comparing him to like wang zhi zhi?! calling him a bust this early in his career?
i mean cmon.. does his performace warrant us to make such assumptions on a kid this special..?
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Old 01-15-2008, 08:32 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Re: Portland (22-13) at Toronto (19-17) Sunday January 13, 2008. 12:30 EST

I am the biggest Bargnani supporter here but even I am disappointed and discouraged right now. I really don't know what has changed so drastically from just the first 2 games of the season when he started the year on quite a high.

This just isn't the same guy we saw last year, and it certainly isn't the same kid who came into the ACC 3 or 4 years ago and owned the Raps with dribble drives and jumpers.

I think the Raps may be ruining this kid by forcing him into the C role exclusively. I wonder if he has been packing on some extra muscle/weight to survive down low against the monsters and its hurting his overall game?

Is the mental toughness and desire not there for him? Or is the coaching staff just not using his abilities the right way? Either way his confidence is gone right now and we need to shake him out of this.

He and Bosh just need to play physical one on one ball together from the top of the key all summer long until both guys have mastered that mid range dribble drive and pull up J game. Bosh needs to be more of a mentor and teach him how to play tougher.
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