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osman · 02-09-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by southeasy

if we want a jeff green-al thornton type, there are alot of prospects in the upcoming draft that will be around at our draft position... also some really great athletic PF's/C's with great shotblocking skills & defensive mindsets.

Jason Thompson of Rider IMO, brings both of those worlds... has SF/PF ability, great passer, great shotblocker, hardworker, hustler.. he's like a mixture of rookies jeff green, thornton & sean williams @ 6'10"

I would like that to be true, but I can't remember the last time we drafted someone in the mid-late first round that turned out to be half decent other than Mo Pete. I'm not saying there isn't someone there to be had. Guys like Josh Smith, Granger, Prince etc. Have been available. I just don't like our odds.

SkywalkerAC · 02-09-2008, 11:39 AM

we haven't had any of those draft picks in the BC era so there's no reason to be pessimistic. plus we were always drafting from a position of dire need, which will not be the case, a relieving luxury.

southeasy · 02-09-2008, 11:58 AM

yeah, theres no pressure this upcoming draft, just filling the holes, hopefully with a young, energetic combo wing/forward.. i see alot of great prospects & i agree wit skywalker, BC is going to do big things with his 2nd draft pick as toronto GM

hell there might even be option to trade up for somebody like hibbert or thabeet, if that is what BC wants.

SkywalkerAC · 02-09-2008, 03:14 PM

might not need to trade up for Thabeet.

BC is still asset collecting and I'm sure he wants to make the Raps more athletic.

Dee-Zy · 02-09-2008, 03:55 PM

We have Moon, Kapono and somewhat Fino for the 3. IF we get that "scorer" you guys are talkin about one of them has to get cut. Unless you want to get a 2 that can be a scorer then we would have to cut either AP or Fino.

Personally, I think that we are set at the 2 and 3. It will be hard to get an upgrade that can both score and defend. Moon will improve and so will Kapono.

**bigbabyjesus** · 02-09-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dee-Zy

We have Moon, Kapono and somewhat Fino for the 3. IF we get that "scorer" you guys are talkin about one of them has to get cut. Unless you want to get a 2 that can be a scorer then we would have to cut either AP or Fino.

Personally, I think that we are set at the 2 and 3. It will be hard to get an upgrade that can both score and defend. Moon will improve and so will Kapono.

how on earth are we set the 2 and 3? we are stacked with completely average players at those positions.

look around the league. every single elite team, even most decent-good teams have a game changer or a star level player at the 2-3.. we don't.

osman · 02-09-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dee-Zy

We have Moon, Kapono and somewhat Fino for the 3. IF we get that "scorer" you guys are talkin about one of them has to get cut. Unless you want to get a 2 that can be a scorer then we would have to cut either AP or Fino.

Personally, I think that we are set at the 2 and 3. It will be hard to get an upgrade that can both score and defend. Moon will improve and so will Kapono.

Lets see some of the other SG/SG pairings in the east:

Pierce and Allen
Dunleavy and Granger
Carter and Jefferson
Johnson and Smith
Wade and Marion
Butler and Stevenson
Richardson and Wallace
Lebron and whoever
Hamilton and Prince

I think we could stand to improve, I don't think Moon/Parker are a long term solution. Kapono should be coming of the bench anyways.

Delfino is the only one who I would like to keep.

Dee-Zy · 02-09-2008, 06:15 PM

How many non All-Star SG would you put ahead of AP? How many non-AS SF would you put ahead of Moon? Remember that he is a rookie and will improve.

I don't think AP is any worst than Manu.
As much as Bowen is a much better defender, I wouldn't necessarily put him miles ahead of Moon.

Those players worked nicely in a system why can't AP and Moon work well in another?

If Anything, I think the difference is that Bosh isn't as good as TD.

Dee-Zy · 02-09-2008, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by osman

Lets see some of the other SG/SG pairings in the east:

Pierce and Allen
Dunleavy and Granger
Carter and Jefferson
Johnson and Smith
Wade and Marion
Butler and Stevenson
Richardson and Wallace
Lebron and whoever
Hamilton and Prince

I think we could stand to improve, I don't think Moon/Parker are a long term solution. Kapono should be coming of the bench anyways.

Delfino is the only one who I would like to keep.

That is slightly near sighted as for most of those teams, one or both of them are the best or second best players of that team. ie: Nets, Hawks, Cavs, Miami, Cats, Wizard, Celts, who cares about Pacers.

osman · 02-09-2008, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dee-Zy

That is slightly near sighted as for most of those teams, one or both of them are the best or second best players of that team. ie: Nets, Hawks, Cavs, Miami, Cats, Wizard, Celts, who cares about Pacers.

Not necessarily

Nets = Kidd
Boston = Garnett
Washington = Arenas when healthy
Detriot = Billups, or Wallace
Indian = O'neal when healthy

RX · 02-09-2008, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by osman

Why would he not play here? If he was traded here he would play here. Unless he specifically states he doesn't want to come here. He would be a great at SF for us, hes only 27.

I guess you didn't see the playoffs last year, when RJ took shots at the Toronto Fans

Sorry, RJ is a decent player but...as a true fan I cannot accept someone who flat out disrespected our team, city, and fanbase numerous times...

I live in New York City (originaly frohm Toronto) and RJ is as classless as it gets...utter garbage

BTW i have had the MISFORTUNE of seeing every Nets game the past few years..and Kidd IS OVERRATED...the reason the Nets win is if Carter does good...he is their best player by FAR...Kidd's triple doubles are meaningless...he is a good fast break passer and big guard defender but that is it...every team sags off him and doesn't respect his shot(rightfully so)...the halfcourt offense for the Nets is run thru Carter

**bigbabyjesus** · 02-10-2008, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Dee-Zy

How many non All-Star SG would you put ahead of AP? How many non-AS SF would you put ahead of Moon? Remember that he is a rookie and will improve.

I don't think AP is any worst than Manu.
As much as Bowen is a much better defender, I wouldn't necessarily put him miles ahead of Moon.

..............

i highly suggest you see a therapist

how many all-star sg would you put ahead of parker?

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaahhahaah

moon? are you ****ing kidding me? not to be negative but this guy is a 27 year old rookie who is an ABSOLUTE offensive liability, with complete average if not worse perimter defensive ability.

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Those players worked nicely in a system why can't AP and Moon work well in another?

If Anything, I think the difference is that Bosh isn't as good as TD.

lol.
we dont have anyone in the stratosphere of manu, and the closest guy we have to bowen is delfino, but still although he might be a better an all around player he is not the same lockdown player. BUT, i still see delfino as a role player in the future for us, i love him, he is the jackknife of a player, he brings everything from rebounding to passing.. but we still need a slasher and a brute wing beside him ..

**bigbabyjesus** · 02-10-2008, 01:21 AM

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I guess you didn't see the playoffs last year, when RJ took shots at the Toronto Fans

Sorry, RJ is a decent player but...as a true fan I cannot accept someone who flat out disrespected our team, city, and fanbase numerous times...

ummm.. he said " im glad the toronto fans wore red to support us today" or something along those lines

get realll

rj would be a huge asset if we could somehow acquire him. he would be a perfect fit alongside bosh.

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