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wow..

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southeasy

i probably should have worded myself more clearly, not too mention i should have read the rest of the posts.

in no way was i implying AP is on Manu's level, i think that's completely insane to say. my only point was about the shooting, and defensive side of the ball. Both players are great, but i don't think anyone would rather have AP over Manu.

Manu provides something we don't have, which is a consistant slasher/finisher at the guard. Ginobili & Delfino would be damn great.. Gino's great acting skill & flops along with Delfs ability to take charges yet recieve no call would eventually help our team

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hey the point is that we're far from poor at the wing. i don't think that fan would claim they're playing as well as they can either. AP has come on beautifully as the season has gone along, Moon's game is FAR from tapped out, Kapono has TJ back, Delfino is a thoroughbred guard and is how old? Joey a beast and can't get off the bench. Matched with elite point guard play, our 4-man wing rotation is deadly, the best we've had since T-mac, Vince, Christie and Del.

the fact is we're already a very nicely composed team. as this team grows together, they're going to become great. we don't really NEED anything. much like we didn't last year, we don't even NEED a draft pick. usually i'm obsessed with the draft but any pick is going to struggle to find playing time. it's just another asset to be utilized. BC could/should look to trade. he could leave the player in Europe. he could take a flyer on a high potential kid (Batum might fit nicely). so many options.

what we really need is for Andrea to get better. and we're seeing tangible improvement game by game. the kid actually has pretty decent rebounding potential.

and don't discount Jamario's ability to improve. he's already started to slash better, TJ and Jose will be looking for him above the rim, and a full nba offseason working on his jumpshot could take his overall game to the next level. that's scary.

is our 4 man wing rotation champship caliber? is our center position championship caliber? not yet. however, our wingman rotation IS comparable to that of San Antonio (looking forward to them backing me up tomorrow night). Our center rotation IS comparable to San Antonio's. We just aren't as experienced. Are we on their level with TJ back in the lineup?

I guess we'll find out a little more of where we stand tomorrow night.

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bigbabyjesus

the one wing player i see with us in the future is carlos delfino. dude is the human swiss army knife. he brings asbolutely everything to the table.

if he could mold himself into more of a slasher, i cant see why he wouldnt be our starting 2 guard in the future.

i believe we should trade moon while his value is high. i love kapono, but our team is full of great shooters, and he is a defensive liability, especially on the wing where there are so many great scorers.

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Kapono shoots 50% from three point land. He's not going anywhere, defensive liability or not. Besides, proper rotations can help him out immensely.

I see no need to deal Moon at this point. He's got everything the other wings don't (except Delfino): great hops and a willingness to rebound.

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Our team has been together for 2 years, we're probably going to win less games this year than last year. I'm sure Bargs will improve, but Parker is over 30, and will be on the decline. How much more is Kapono going to improve? He's as good as he will be, the only one that will improve is Delfino.

bigbabyjesus

Yeah your right. Great three point shooters are untouchable

He also possess' no offensive skill.

Trade him while his value is high.

SkywalkerAC

Delfino and Moon. There are your starters for the future. Defense, scoring, rebounding. Solid and even spectacular.

Trade Moon? For what? An athletic small forward?

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bigbabyjesus

For someone who can slash, play defense, and isn't afraid of contact like Moon?

I always respect your opinion Skywalker, but man your homerism is coming out hard right now

trick

There probably is along one reason why i would keep a rotation of wings players who aren't a consistent scoring threat like some of the others mentioned (Rip, Redd, Ginobili, etc.) is in case Bargs turns into a potent second scoring option alongside Bosh. In which we won't need someone on the wing to score 20'ish ppg to keep the pressure off of Bosh and that a Bosh/Bargnani scoring duo will provide tons of opportunities for standstill shooters like Parker and Kapaono. Plus, with Bosh and Bargnani we could hide the weakness of an offensive liability in Moon provided that he provides above-adequate defense.So if you were to ask me would i trade for an all-star like wing at this point? It depends on who we're giving up. But I'm confident enough in Bargnani that we won't need someone like that on perimeter.

However, this doesn't hide the fact that our startings fall pale in comparison to the rest of the league's starting wings. I don't care how you cut it, I would rather have a Jason Richardson/Gerald Wallace tandem rather than a Parker/Moon tandem, simply because the former is so much more better than the latter. And Kevin Martin is so much better than Parker, while Bowen is so much more better than Moon...well you get my drift.

I just draw the line where objectivism ends and homerism begins. Parker being a better shooter/defender than Ginobili (which I would strongly debate both) does not hide the fact that Ginobili is light years ahead of Parker, regardless if Parker is the better shooter and/or defender. Ginobili brings so much more to his team than Parker does. Moon being a rookie and still able to improve does not give reason to hope that he can be better, or at the same level, than Gerald Wallace. What has Moon shown thus far into the season that he can drastically improve his offensive woes? Defensively he is not that good considering how some are claiming he is. I would argue that Parker is better defensively than Moon.

P.S.: We could use somewhat of a spark off the bench in the future. A volume-scorerlike Dixon who can score buckets at a more efficient rate (Travis Outlaw comes to mind ).

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Moon and Delfino don't make spectacular plays?

I've been waiting years for a player like Moon. Length, athleticism, shotblocking, rebounding, and finishing ability.

He should try to get a little stronger and needs to work on his jumper but he competes pretty well against the best in the league, night after night. We don't need him to be a scorer.

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