Darman

No Gherardini
=
No Parker
No Nesterovic
No Delfino
No Garbajosa
No Bargnani
=
Toronto is a 30 wins team. Good luck.

Of course... I cant' wait for him to develop in team with a real coach (do you remember the headless chicken?) and fans who don't blame him for his coach's mistakes.

SkywalkerAC

Let's not forget that the guy has already performed reasonably well in the postseason.

When it comes to toughness, Bargnani has shown some defending the post. That counts for something.

For a second year Euro center, Bargnani is doing ok. The question is how much does he stand to improve and does he have "it"? I think he's got a long way to go and I do see "it" in there somewhere.

By year 4, I think he could be our bad***.

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This is the kind of bas *** I see Bargs as

Andrea, thats it! You've skipped practice for the last ti........



**** off coach, Im in the ****ing zone!



Daaaamn, that Andrea is so gangsta!



****in' rights Cheif, lets go do some yagger bombs!


Some what?



****in Yagga Bombs!




That badass is tearing this team apart!

shookem

Mago has less edges than a ballon.

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ballocks

i think it's interesting that people are starting to perceive nowitzki as overrated (i think there's a thread about it on the main board). when you think about how soon it's come after his mvp win last season, you start to wonder.

i think 7' jumpshooters are fighting a tough battle. anyone who's a bit of an anomaly like that faces the same ups and downs. 'people' highlight their achievements like they're the best things since sliced bread, and rag on their failures like they couldn't be any worse. the highs are very high and the lows are very low. meanwhile, player types with firmly established precedents in this league face the opposite- it probably takes them longer to stand out initially, but when they do, it's for the count. i'm thinking of first option shooting guards, for example: mcgrady, carter, pierce, etc. i mean, they're not as lauded for their milestones but it's rare that you see the word 'overrated' associated with them either. they're kind of in between, while their play varies equally.

bargnani is not nowitzki but i'm talking about tall jumpshooters, of whom he is certainly one. he'll probably have to endure frequent periods of criticism throughout his career- and he'll have to improve in spite of them. i think his 'toughness' is as important in this area as it is to our team right now. long-term, he'll need it to survive in the league; short-term, we need it to take our team to the next level.

peace

RX

i guess they call him "the magician" cuz he disappears

ballocks

one final point: anyone who criticizes bryan colangelo for drafting bargnani is probably delusional. this was not 1984, where you have a team taking sam bowie ahead of michael jordan.

the draft went like this:

1) andrea bargnani
2) lamarcus aldridge
3) adam morrison
4) tyrus thomas
5) shelden williams
6) brandon roy
7) randy foye
8) rudy gay
9) patrick o'bryant
10) saer sene
...
it only gets worse from here.

you could say with firm belief that at least five of those players have brought less to their teams than bargnani (ammo, shelden, foye, o'bryant and sene). only brandon roy has truly kicked it off in two years, and i think the raptors (at a time when they could least afford it, imo) would have been slagged mercilessly had they taken roy at 1, or even managed to trade out of 1 to take him at ~6. hindsight is 20/20. i'm sure everyone in the league had their eyes on roy that june and were wondering what the raptors were doing by looking him off... oh wait...

i'm not saying this to defend bargnani. only that we can ill afford to forget the entire draft. it's not the raptors' fault that they won the lottery in 2006, if that's what the critics imply. bargnani has not yet panned out but it's not like his peers have blown him out of the water either.

if he never develops and the draft results don't change much over time, i wouldn't call it a mistake so much as i would call it bad luck. if morrison, thomas, aldridge and gay manage to make names for themselves in this league, fine. anyone else? i wouldn't lose any sleep.

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bigbabyjesus

and i bet you he'd still take bargnani.

he's patient, and can see his immense talent unlike the majority of our retarded fanbase.

now thats not to say i would.. i would take brandon roy all day..

but when people say we should have taken aldridge, i laugh. he, like bargnani, is primarily a jumpshooter with little post game, who is a mediocore rebounder, and plays good post defense. they have both been called "soft" numerous times. the difference is andreas roof is higher imo.

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and by retarted fanbase I assume you're talking about the folks who can't string a sentence together.

ahem, ahem.

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Yeah, I agree with Ballocks. Eventhough it was a mistake to draft Bargnani ahead of Roy and Gay, it's not like we passed up on any superstars. The 2006 draft is the weakest draft since the Kenyon Martin draft, and Bargnani will probably end up with a better career than Kenyon Martin.

I'm not happy with some of the signings (or lack of) that Colangelo did this off season. The Kapono signing was a mistake and not moving Dixon and Graham last offseason was also a head scratcher. Bargnani hasn't panned out but he shouldn't be the reason why the Raptors aren't improved this year.

shookem

he shouldn't be the sole reason but certainly is part of it.

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bigbabyjesus

sorry, mom

didnt know i wwas writing an english essay for class here

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Pnack

I don't think Andrea has even scratched the surface of his potential. He deserves a little more time than others given his international background.

I believe that the signs of greatness he shows on some nights will soon become something he does on a nightly basis.

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shookem

I doubt you could write much more than a text message bro... even that might be a stretch.

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