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04-30-2008, 01:08 PM
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Cat Launcher
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Re: Random players I'd want BC to target...
I would add Ron Artest to that list. Desperate times calls for desperate measures and the Raptors D is exactly that.
Out of that list there are some players I agree and some I disagree, but generally speaking the Raptors have the following:
Need:
#1. Perimeter scorer that can penetrate and get to the line
#2. Perimeter defender that is physical and hopefully can do #1 as well.
#3. Rebounder/Shotblocker that is over 6-9, any extra offensive skills is a bonus.
#4. A big body that can score inside off 2nd chance points.
Don't need more of:
#1. Jump shooters
#2. Big men who are jump shooters
#3. Players that are below average defenders
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04-30-2008, 01:25 PM
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Re: Random players I'd want BC to target...
Samuel Dalembert (canadian; would bring our inside presence to a different level IMO)
Sean Williams (NJ will never let us rape them in a deal, amazing shotblocking presence)
Renaldo Balkman (pure hustle, rebounder, defender, toughness, no jumpshooter)
David Lee (see above)
Corey Maggette (top 10 FTA, slasher, toughness/defender)
out of the ones Trick listed i like:
Milsapp (heavy hitter, rebounder, energy big)
Diop (defensive presence at the rim, big man defender)
Blatche (IMO he's bargnani with better shotblocking & offensive handle)
Landry (see Milsapp)
players that would me an amazing, second-scorer/defender/rebounder/toughness addition:
Josh Howard (overrated or not, he's one of my favourite player, would easily fill that secondary scoring role, i don't think he would be just a jump shooter outside of Dallas)
Ron Artest (crazy Ron, toughest with the toughness, underrated scorer, & i believe his rap album is behind him)
Gerald Wallace (wanted him in the off-season, unlikely now, but he's everything we need in a player - injury concerns, but that's when you get playing like a crash test dummy, DOPE)
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1AJosh Howard/1BGerald Wallace/2Amare Stoudemire/3Rajon Rondo/4Sean Williams/5Chris Bosh/6Renaldo Balkman/7Al Thornton/8Stromile Swift/9Jose Calderon/10Dwight Howard/11Antawn Jamison/12Dorell Wright/13Leandro Barbosa/14Samuel Dalembert/15Thabo Sefolosha/16Caron Butler/17Ronnie Price/18Trevor Ariza/19Jamario Moon/20Travis Outlaw
Close but No Puro: Julian Wright, Jeff Green, Amir Johnson, Louis Williams, JR Smith, Quincy Douby
RIP to the Career & The Man, Jonathan "Best Practice Player In NBA History" Bender & Eddie "Most Known Unknown" Griffin
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04-30-2008, 01:32 PM
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6th Man
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Re: Random players I'd want BC to target...
Sammy D would be AWESOME...and he'd love to play here...too bad i dont see it happening
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04-30-2008, 01:36 PM
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Re: Random players I'd want BC to target...
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BNM has brought up some good points in his little debate with seifer in that other thread in that Outlaw is young, athletic and has improved in each season up to date.
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Especially this season. He's only 23, but has five years of NBA experience. Over the last three years his scoring average has gone from 5.8 PPG to 9.6 PPG to 13.3 PPG. And his increased scoring is not just a result of increased minutes. If you look at his PTS/36, it's also steadily increased from 12.5 PTS/36 to 15.2 PTS/36 to 18.0 PTS/36. So, he's not just getting more minutes, he has shown true improvement.
Ironically, the reason he may be available is because Rudy Fernandez is coming and will likely assume the role of No. 1 offensive option off the bench. Also, Nate played Outlaw most of his minutes this year at back-up power forward. With Oden starting at center, backed-up by Przybilla, Channing Frye will now assume that role. So, Outlaw becomes expendable.
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Rudy may be a project (I know how you don't want any more Euro projects), but he would still add some athleticism on the wings.
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While Rudy is unproven at the NBA level, he's not some raw, unproven project (like Bargnani). He has been playing on the Spainish national team since he was 16 and professionally in Europe since he was 17. And, not just playing, excelling. He has won MVP awards at every major European tournament and is widely considered the best player in the second best league in the world. But, that's irrelevant. You're not getting him.
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Both players are also cheap too.
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Very. Outlaw signed an extension last summer that pays him well below the MLE ($4 million per year) for two more seasons. And Fernandez will be on a rookie scale contract - and a low rent one at that. He was drafted 24th last year due to the status of his European contract that didn't permit him to play in the NBA this season.
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-Sergio Rodriguez
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Sergio is much more of a project than Rudy. He's younger and much more raw. He's not getting the minutes in Portland he needs to develop. With Blake, Jack and Roy all getting minutes at PG, there simply isn't enough minutes to go around. That will be even more of a problem for Sergio if the Blazers acquire a new starting PG. He has the potential to be a special PG (ala Calderon), but I don't see him getting that opportunity in Portland. So, he may be available, and he'll come cheaply. Just don't count on him helping your team for a couple years.
BNM
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04-30-2008, 01:37 PM
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Re: Random players I'd want BC to target...
Dalembert signed through 2011 and is making 10mil plus hes out of the picture to us
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04-30-2008, 01:41 PM
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Re: Random players I'd want BC to target...
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Samuel Dalembert (canadian; would bring our inside presence to a different level IMO)
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This is the type of player you need starting at center for you next to Bosh. Dalembert's biggest problem is that he's wildly inconsistent. He only shows up to play about once every 3 - 4 games, but when he does show up, Philadelphia is almost unbeatable. He's that much of a difference maker - when he plays to his fullest ability. If he could ever play his best day-in and day-out, he'd be an all-star. I doubt if Philly would give him up, though.
BNM
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04-30-2008, 01:42 PM
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Re: Random players I'd want BC to target...
As far as a bench guy goes...does anyone think that Sheldon Williams would make the most of a fresh start? I don't think he is in the Kings plans, maybe TJ and filler for Ron and Williams.
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04-30-2008, 01:43 PM
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Re: Random players I'd want BC to target...
Rasho has a pretty hefty contract. but your probably right.
& travis outlaw is killer, he's like a clutch- current jamario moon, 5 years younger. he could improve taking it to the hole more, like a shorter chris bosh, but those dunks are top notch,.
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1AJosh Howard/1BGerald Wallace/2Amare Stoudemire/3Rajon Rondo/4Sean Williams/5Chris Bosh/6Renaldo Balkman/7Al Thornton/8Stromile Swift/9Jose Calderon/10Dwight Howard/11Antawn Jamison/12Dorell Wright/13Leandro Barbosa/14Samuel Dalembert/15Thabo Sefolosha/16Caron Butler/17Ronnie Price/18Trevor Ariza/19Jamario Moon/20Travis Outlaw
Close but No Puro: Julian Wright, Jeff Green, Amir Johnson, Louis Williams, JR Smith, Quincy Douby
RIP to the Career & The Man, Jonathan "Best Practice Player In NBA History" Bender & Eddie "Most Known Unknown" Griffin
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04-30-2008, 02:01 PM
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Re: Random players I'd want BC to target...
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Originally Posted by billfindlay10
As far as a bench guy goes...does anyone think that Sheldon Williams would make the most of a fresh start? I don't think he is in the Kings plans, maybe TJ and filler for Ron and Williams.
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Good find.
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Originally Posted by southeasy
Samuel Dalembert (canadian; would bring our inside presence to a different level IMO)
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Dalembert would be a welcome fit, but with the way the Sixers ended the season and their somewhat playoff success (if you can call it that), there could be some optimism in building around the core of Miller, Iguodala, Young and Dalembert, with Miller the most likely one ousted to improve the roster if it comes to that. I'm willing to bet Stefanski will be sticking onto Dalembert like white on rice.
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No I meant sg. I type really fast and carelessly ask anyone. I hate speeling and grammer. I only care about it in English where i got an A. What do you mean they are starting Parker.
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I think Toronto's hate of Vince has a lot to do with Canada's hate of America. I totally agree if Vince wasnt on the Raps they would face the same fate as the Grizzlies they would be moved. Vince did not quit on you. You quit on Vince.
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04-30-2008, 02:06 PM
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Re: Random players I'd want BC to target...
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Also, Nate played Outlaw most of his minutes this year at back-up power forward. With Oden starting at center, backed-up by Przybilla, Channing Frye will now assume that role. So, Outlaw becomes expendable.
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Which bring up my theory that if BC is stubborn in building around a Bosh/Bargnani tandem it makes acquiring a physical SF all the more important. An SF who can do alot of the things a PF and C can, but can't adapt to those two positions full-time due to lack of height and strength (i.e. Travis Outlaw, Tyrus Thomas, Josh Smith, Gerald Wallace). Such players are akin to scoring without touches and rely heavily on athleticism to be effective and hungry.
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No I meant sg. I type really fast and carelessly ask anyone. I hate speeling and grammer. I only care about it in English where i got an A. What do you mean they are starting Parker.
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Originally Posted by vincedunkedonzo2
I think Toronto's hate of Vince has a lot to do with Canada's hate of America. I totally agree if Vince wasnt on the Raps they would face the same fate as the Grizzlies they would be moved. Vince did not quit on you. You quit on Vince.
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04-30-2008, 02:21 PM
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6th Man
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Re: Random players I'd want BC to target...
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Originally Posted by southeasy
Rasho has a pretty hefty contract. but your probably right.
& travis outlaw is killer, he's like a clutch- current jamario moon, 5 years younger. he could improve taking it to the hole more, like a shorter chris bosh, but those dunks are top notch,.
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Rasho's contract is his best asset! he's expiring the year after next!
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04-30-2008, 02:43 PM
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Re: Random players I'd want BC to target...
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Rasho's contract is his best asset! he's expiring the year after next!
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Technically, he COULD be expiring this summer - if he chooses not to exercise the player option year of his current contract. I doubt if it would happen though. Unless he has a longer term deal lined up, he'd be pretty stupid to walk away from $8.4 million.
BNM
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04-30-2008, 03:14 PM
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Cat Launcher
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