trick

...that may have some realistic merit.

-Leandro Barbosa
-Paul Millsap
-Josh Childress or Marvin Williams (one or the other, not both)
-Travis Outlaw or Rudy Fernandez
-Juan Carlos Navarro or Mike Miller
-Desagna Diop
-Saer Sene or John Petro
-Charlie Bell
-Andray Blatche
-Carl Landry
-Nene

Feel free to add other players or discuss how or why BC should look to target any of the aforementioned players. Just wanted to start some offseason talk.

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Mr_B

Josh Howard may have become available if you seen the reports on the mavs the past few days he may of just played his way out of Dallas

RX

-Leandro Barbosa - Stupid Chucker, Terrible Defender
-Paul Millsap - Would be great
-Josh Childress or Marvin Williams (one or the other, not both) - Prefer Marvin over Josh but either would be great
-Travis Outlaw or Rudy Fernandez - NO Thanks
-Juan Carlos Navarro or Mike Miller - NO Thanks
-Desagna Diop - Depends on the price
-Saer Sene or John Petro - NO Thanks, both of these guys SUCK
-Charlie Bell - Would be an OK backup PG
-Andray Blatche - No way we're getting him
-Carl Landry - Could be interesting, but only for cheap
-Nene - Too injury prone and $$$

Boob-No-More

He's not available, but I'm curious why you'd say NO Thanks to Rudy Fernandez? He'd be a HUGE upgrade at shooting guard for you. He's a great shooter, but not JUST a shooter. He's very athletic and drives the lane without fear. Last year he was voted the top young player in Europe and this year many consider him the best player in Europe period. He has won MVP of pretty much every tournament he's played in this year. If he was in this year's draft, he'd be a top 5 pick.

Like I said, you're not getting him, but why on earth wouldn't you want him?

BNM

RX

no thanks was more for travis outlaw

I have no opinion of rudy fernandez because i can't seem to remember him at all from any blazers game i've seen

Boob-No-More

Probably because he's never played in a Blazers game. He plays in Europe, but the Blazers hold his rights. Try a google on Rudy Fernandez youtube.

BNM

RX

I think the sentiment of most Raptors fans is to improve via proven players...no more euros or projects. Our best players: Bosh, Jose, TJ (whichever one we keep) are in or entering their primes now...we can't afford to squander it (which i think we will) by trying to develop another youngster

chocolove

If we could get Josh Howard, I'd do it in a second. As for other random players I want the raps to go for would be
Ron Artest- a lil mental but he has that attitude which the raps so sorely lack.
Diop- Shot Blocker and Rebounder
David Lee- Not sure about his availability, but he can do for us what Kris Humphries does not only better, but he wont jack up a jumpshots all the time like Kris does.

trick

:doh:, can't believe I forgot about Lee. Definitely a must-have for any team, not just the Raptors.

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Mr_B

His contract is pretty much the same as TJ , I don't like trade talk speculation but the option is there

RX

Dallas has Kidd, Terry, Barea, and Lue...highly unlikely they will want TJ

Additionally, J-Ho is overrated, he choked in the playoffs shooting something like 10% from the field and not driving the basket at all. I think Moon could have the same impact as J-Ho if he was featured just as much. I mean there are alot of wing players who can put up good numbers if given the green light. It's how efficient they are at doing so that separates them.

trick

He's a chucker, yes. Stupid chucker? No. This season he shot 46% (39% from 3) and the previous season he shot 48% (43% from 3). With those kind of percentages I don't mind that player to be a chucker.

Defensively he's not 'terrible'. On his rookie season he was a highly touted defender, and with his speed and athleticism he should be adequate at the least as a defender. He's no Artest or Bowen, but I think it'd be unfair for any player to be compared to those two in defense.

With starter minutes (assuming he starts the 2 if acquired) he can be that 20 ppg scorer that BC is searching for on the wing.

BNM has brought up some good points in his little debate with seifer in that other thread in that Outlaw is young, athletic and has improved in each season up to date.

Rudy may be a project (I know how you don't want any more Euro projects), but he would still add some athleticism on the wings.

Both players are also cheap too.

Both players could be that second playmaker on the wings to replace Parker when it comes to that time. Navarro may not end up being that 20 ppg scorer but he is capable of playing either guard spots. A neat package to invest a future on.

Mike Miller, on ther other hand, would be that 20 ppg kind of guy who can create for others as well.

Young centers under utilized by their current club that can be acquired for cheap is always welcome by me. Think Kris Humphries.

With him in the lineup I'm picturing a Bargnani, Bosh and Nene froncourt. True he is injury prone and netting around the 10 mil range, but acquiring him allows the Raptors to have (a) insurance in case the Bargnani experiment doesn't work, (b) a banger down low to help Bosh and (c) building around a young frontcourt with either Bosh or Bargnani. However, having Nene on the team allows little chance of both Bosh and Bargnani being on the same team.

Two other names I thought of:

-Sergio Rodriguez
-Boris Diaw

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Mr_B

Good point RX either way I expect Howard to get moved this offseason