Dee-Zy

I don't see how Gil fits here with us.

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seifer0406

I wouldn't even consider Arenas if he doesn't play a season healthy. You don't want the Wizards to pull a Grant Hill on us.

Vivaldi

We want Calderon. not Ford. How much are you guys willing to pay to keep him?

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seifer0406

Calderon is not leaving Toronto unless it's in a sign and trade. Colangelo has made it clear that he will match any offer for him.

It's what you guys can offer the Raptors to get Calderon, not what the raptors can offer to keep Calderon.

Mr_B

not all of us agree to me I like Tj more than jose

Vivaldi

Let's see Colangelo back his talk. We are prepared to throw full MLE type of money at Calderon.

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seifer0406

He is at least getting 6 mil a year. If you guys offer the full MLE Calderon wouldn't even accept that offer. Try signing Chris Quinn or something.

spuriousjones

Calderon signing an offer sheet for the MLE would be perfect. that's pretty much the absolute best case scenario: we get Jose at a sweet discount, don't wade into the optics of TJ's contract vs Jose's contract by simply being the by-standing team that matches; we avoid being the cheap-o that lowballs their (arguably) best player yet get the benefit of the cheap deal.

Dee-Zy

MLE is 6mill now I think

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billfindlay10

It should be close, 5.5 mil or so. Jose should get 7 mil a year easy. Will any team be willing to offer him that? I just hope BC can tweak this team in the off season and give us a slightly new look for 08/09. The East will be tougher next year and I am not sure if we would even make the playoffs with our current roster. We can look for Miami, Chicago, Charlotte, and New Jersey to all have better seasons....and who knows about the Bucks and Pacers? Toronto is no lock for the post season in 09.

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contract will start at 8.5

mark it down

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Dee-Zy

I wouldn't care ^^^

As long as he is in Toronto.

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SkywalkerAC

the only deals coming to my mind for TJ actually are the maggette/artest/portland suggestions.

would it be that simple?

probably not.

TJ, Moon, and Hump

for

Artest and Sacto's pick?

TJ
Kev Mart
Moon
Humphries;D
Miller/Hawes

nah, they can't afford to give up their pick with such limited upside.

TJ/Hump for Artest and their second rounder.

After all, I said way back then that I like the fit with Artest/Moon on the wings.

Draft Hibbert. Re-sign Delfino. You've still got AP, Rasho, Garbo, Joey, Kapono, and others that BC can trade or let expire next season AND the MLE to spend, AND the ability to re-sign Delfino.

Jose/Roko
Artest/AP
Moon/Kapono/Delfino
Bosh/Bargnani/Jorge
Hibbert/Rasho/Baston

Looks like a pretty solid two-way team to me. Plus we've got a second rounder (woopdidoo). BC wouldn't need the MLE to fill out the roster, which is definitely "professional" and "competitive", if a little boring.

doesn't really seem like BC's style of game but he is now putting together a team for the eastern conference and i think that lineup is a tough eastern conference squad that can slow you down, defend, and make shots. it has great depth and is easily upgradeable with the MLE, LLE, draft, and trade. Bosh and Bargnani are fortified around at every position with length, deep with veterans.

My biggest concern with Artest would be his contract, that he'd jump ship. But I think he'd largely be happy to be back with a competitive veteran team. I'm not a huge fan of his game but the guy gets the job done on both ends of the court.

So is it at all fair for Sacramento? f it's not, they have contracts we can eat by throwing in our expirings but I think it's reasonably fair on its own merit, not terribly original, mind you, it is 8:49 in the morning and haven't been to sleep yet so you'll have to forgive me.

Sacto is going to get hammered in the West next season, with or without Artest, and they shouldn't really want to resign him when his contract is up so why not hook up a point guard that can get out and run with CP3, Parker, and AI (et al). It's looking like wings at their pick in the draft (cept for Westbrook) so why not go young and fully tank it (while putting a more exciting package on the floor)? TJ gives you distribution and scoring can put on a show. ****, we all know what he can do

TJ/Udrih (nice PG rotation; not unlike Forderon)
K-Mart/Garcia (makes for a short backcourt but they're explosive and crafty)
Donte Green/MLE
Humprhies/Sheldon Williams (do Kenny Thomas or SAR even play anymore?) unleash the hump
Hawes/Miller (decect)

It's not a great team but it's on the up and up...kinda. Sacto is in some rough shape and need a shake. I really wouldn't be surprised if Kris started for them and put up some solid numbers.

Raps need to get bigger and stronger; Kings need to get younger and faster. I think it works. I quite like this one, now that I see it laid out. If we're going to "make the big push" starting this summer, that's about as good as we can expect.

The other team to look at is Seattle. If they take either Beasley or Lopez with their first pick, they should look to trade Wilcox for a starting PG like TJ. It's pretty fair value straight up, giving the Raps their big, athletic finisher, allowing them to go wing in the draft while the Sonics get their run and gun PG.

TJ
Durant
Green
Beasley
Petro

sickness

but wilcox probably isn't the answer at C, now is he?

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SkywalkerAC

spurs and pistons have shown that once you've got a tough, veteran team, it's not that hard to add a piece here and there on the cheap. BC has already shown more than ample skill in doing just this.

Artest and Hibbert. I love it. Matching up with Howard and Lebron we know we've got to get as big as we can around B&B.

now i just have to hope that Indy takes Westbrook, Petrie covets a wing in the draft, Udrih signs for cheap, oh, and Ron is cool with Toronto and that Hibbert doesn't suck.

Man it's going to be a long offseason. At least it will be an eventful one.

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