lucky777s

The media is doing the same thing to TJ that they did to Rafer and then Mike James. They give these type of players open questions and just let them run their mouths until they talk themseveles into a hole and look stupid or selfish. Then reporters bury them in the hole the player dug for himself.

Jose was much smarter dealing with the media and comes out looking like a hero.

But now Jose is in a major contract situation. He needs to let other teams that he has that strong desire to start and be part of a winner. His agent probably told him teams will want to see that fire in order to pay big $$$. Jose want people to know that it is not a given he will just return to Toronto and is open for business. That is smart.

The reason most fans prefer Jose (probably 60/40 or 70/30 split) is because TJ doesn't play smart and looks selfish on the court at times. Jose is more of that Alvin Williams type PG we loved but a much better set-up guy.

I think BC could trade either guy and I am fine with that. Most people will be if we get good pieces in return. I don't fully believe in TJ's supposed 'upside' because I don't know if he can raise his bball IQ enough to become a top level PG, and his physical size (regardless of injury) make him a poor finisher in traffic.

I think both PGs are perfect for a tandem system and may not shine as brightly on their own.

Some lottery teams really don't want their picks. If they end up top 3 Raps could come calling with nice assets to offer.

Ruff Draft

Jose is going to net you much more than T.J. The question is if they want a stud PG, or another great talent somewhere else.

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superdude211

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/nba#

Nothing new just confirming what every Raptors fan already knows, the only real new is that this report leads me to believe that the Raptors are looking to move up in the draft by shopping T.J Ford on Draft day

southeasy

Warriors.. shopping... Monta Ellis??


if true. perfect fit for toronto as a secondary/slashing scorer

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seifer0406

Monta Ellis would be great for us. He can either start at the SG spot or come off the bench as the 6th man spark plug.

southeasy

if they lose on baron, i can't see them throwing away the ellisian one.

don nelson likes ford?

Ford + 1st + Kapono etc
for
Ellis + Croshere?

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Close but No Puro: Julian Wright, Jeff Green, Amir Johnson, Louis Williams, JR Smith, Quincy Douby


RIP to the Career & The Man, Jonathan "Best Practice Player In NBA History" Bender & Eddie "Most Known Unknown" Griffin

PDXshelbyGT

I'm a Portland fan, so pardon the "homer" in me....as I find value in the guys I'll propose to trade to Toronto:


We'll send you Martell Webster (who started at the 3 all year - and he's got big upside..and can play shooting guard as well) + Joel Pryzbilla (who would offer TO a true Center against Eastern teams) plus our #13 pick in this year's draft. And...we'll also work in Raef LaFrentz (expiring contract) if you guys, in return want to move Rasho and his contract.


RECAP


Webster (3)
Pryzbilla (5)
#13 selection
Raef LaFrentz (4/5) expiring contract

for

Calderon
Rasho


In my "homer" opinion, I think this is a tiny bit lopsided to TO's favour - but I think Portland could be a willing partner in such a trade due to our desire to find a pure point - and I love Calderon's game!

seifer0406

It'll pretty much have to start with Outlaw and Przybilla. Webster is a bust and he's another jump shooter that the Raptors have no need for.

PDXshelbyGT

Ok, so here is my counter offer:


Portland send Toronto:

Outlaw + Pryzbilla + LaFrentz (expiring) + our 13th & 36 picks


TO sends Portland:

Calderon, Rasho + your #17 pick


In my opinion, this is a win-win deal. Pull the trigger already!

(thanks for your reply - let me know how the above counter-offer sounds)

billfindlay10

Change Calderon for Ford and you have a deal!!!!!!!!!

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B-Roy

Uh, Portland wants nothing to do with Ford. Ford does not have nearly the value Calderon has.

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billfindlay10

And we want Joel or Webster? That is my point.

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B-Roy

Joel is a tough defensive center....which is what the Raptors need.

You don't need Webster, but that offer has Outlaw.

Not only does Calderon have more value than Ford, but Portland doesn't want Ford. It's definately not worth what we're offering.

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