B-Roy

No. Ford may have value to other teams, but his attitude and spinal injuries are a turn off for Portland. And that is NOT a good trade for Portland. We're giving our depth PLUS a lottery pick for an above average PG who has a bunch of injury issues.

Portland declines, no way we take Ford unless we can get him extremely cheap.

And I'd rather do Outlaw+13 for Miller, than that trade.

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seifer0406

Like the reports are saying. The Raptors now are more likely to trade Ford than to trade Calderon. I would probably do Calderon+17th for Outlaw/Przy and 13th, but I doubt the Raptors do it because they are extremely high on Calderon themselves.

SkywalkerAC

no way i trade calderon just to trade up a few picks in the draft. gotta have that additional pick. and i prefer webster to outlaw.

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SkywalkerAC

and why would philly trade miller again?

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B-Roy

MIKE MILLER.

Memphis offered MIKE Miller for Outlaw+#13.

B-Roy

Webster, Pryzbilla, 13th pick, 36th pick, Raef LaFrentz for Calderon and Rasho.

You guys DO get extra picks. And you wouldn't be just trading up. You get that tough center you need.

I personally think that's a fair value, but Toronto values Calderon WAY too much, so I doubt they'd do it.

seifer0406

That's a good deal.

Like you said, the people in Toronto loves Calderon. In my opinion they should trade Calderon instead of Ford as well since he can net us more pieces. The team we have now have too many holes that need to fill and trading Ford will not be able to cover our needs.

PDXshelbyGT

Guys - B Roy and myself both think Calderon would be a perfect fit in Portland. We're not saying he's not the pefect fit in Toronto! But we have some pieces to your puzzle and you have a piece for ours. This is why trades are made, Memphis/Lakers the exception


I have been going back and forth from Portland, Oregon to Vancouver, BC over the past eight years - and recently married a Canuck and have moved to the burbs of Vancouver (last summer actually). I even bought season tickets to the Blazers last season and would drive down to Portland to catch as many games as I could. In the Vancouver area, Shaw cable doesn't have NBA League Pass - so I ordered NBA TV/ Raptors Channel. Between going back and forth to Portland, I was able to watch several Raptors game during the season. Fun team! Ford's injury was terrible and I hope that he can come back at full strenth. If if he does, he's not the PG Portland needs along side Roy/Aldridge/Oden. Calderon would be however!

I myslef want to keep Outlaw - and I believe that Webster would make a great addition to your fast-pace game. The boy can shoot - and he's a leaper when he take it to the hole.

I do believe that (after watching around 15 - 20 Raptors games) a true center would benefit the team. Joel Pryzbilla is a very solid center with a great contract. And if you take on LaFrentz' expiring - you have options next year (but you'd have to give up Rasho's smaller expiring in return to make this work).

I think a trade of Webster + Pryzbilla + Portland's #13 pick + LaFrentz' expiring

for

Calderon + Rasho + TO's #17 has some merit.


But in my humble opinion, if you can move Ford for something worthwhile - I'd suggest doing that!


Let's see what Ford brings....and if it is not as valuable as BC is letting on - then consider our trade proposal!


(hey, its only between us fans anyhow!)

seifer0406

Often times GMs overvalues their players and miss out on opportunities to improve the team. We've seen it with Chicago and I think there is a good possibility that we'll see that with Calderon as well. Personally I would take the Webster/Przy/13th for Calderon, but knowing how much Colangelo values Calderon, it will likely take a much better offer (Outlaw/Przy/13th perhaps) for the deal to happen.

But then again, us fans don't know what is the exact situation with Ford. Reports are surfacing that there are many teams interested in him. If the Raptors can find a decent to good deal with Ford they should make that their first priority. If they can only find deals that shed salary only then I think it is better for them to trade Calderon instead.

seifer0406

And one more thing regarding Ford, I actually think he will fit Portland better than some of you think he will. His "attitude" problem is magnified by the Toronto media because of the supposed competition of the starting PG job. Other than this one blemish in his personality, he really doesn't have any significant incidents that would suggest that he would bring chemistry problems to any team. His teammates (even Calderon) have nothing but good things to say about Ford either in front of the media or in Calderon's case(and Bosh), in their personal blogs. Our coach loves him to the point where fans criticize the coach for not being fair for Calderon. The point I'm trying to make is he isn't someone that will be detrimental to the team and "attitude" should not be a concern for a team interested in Ford.

Basketball wise, Ford's court vision is arguably better than Calderon and he has the speed to stay with pretty much anybody on the defensive end. On a team with as much offensive weapons as the Blazers, Ford would thrive running the team in my opinion. The one obvious problem is his injury risk. But then again, the cost of getting Ford is a lot cheaper than Calderon. He is a high risk high reward player and it's up to teams to decide whether they want to take that risk.

PDXshelbyGT

Interesting take on Ford! I'm sure the Toronto media plays a big role in exploding minor issues. I just really like Calderon! I think he's a Steve Nash -style player.

With Brandon Roy - who handles the ball quite a bit, I think he and Calderon would be a better backcourt combination than Roy & Ford. Just my opinion.

lucky777s

Let's not forget that MIL was more than happy to unload Ford. Colangelo was not even asking about him and MIL threw his name into the mix. There were issues there not related to his spine. Which is why he was not finishing games there at times.

And I love the slant taken on 'has the speed to stay with anyone on D'. True, but he doesn't use it, so what is the diff. He gets beat as often as most other PG in the league and his lack of size/strength see him overpowered a lot by bigger guards and limit his own ability to finish in the paint.

And its hard to credit his court vision when he makes so many dumb decisions with the ball. The mental side of his game is weak.

He is still a very good starting PG in the league, but clearly 2nd tier, which is also true of Jose.

Ford reminds me of a Stephon Marbury in some ways, though physically smaller and weaker.

kirk_2003

^^good marbary comparison..

seifer0406