With the Raptors’ Frontcourt Suddenly Crowded, Who Will be the Odd Man Out? - Basketball Forum : Professional and College Basketball Forums

**Basel** · 05-03-2012, 09:47 AM

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Bryan Colangelo and the Toronto Raptors are heading into one of the biggest off seasons in franchise history. One of Colangelo's biggest tasks this off-season will be to address the overflow of frontcourt players that the Dinos currently possess. The HQ's Scott Campsall takes a look at which players will be most likely to be moved this off-season.

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With the Lithuanian center Jonas Valanciunas due to arrive in Toronto next season, the Raptors’ frontcourt is suddenly looking a little overcrowded. The Dinos will have Andrea Bargnani, Amir Johnson, Ed Davis and James Johnson in addition to Valanciunas all under contract and all vying for minutes at either the four of five positions next season.

It doesn’t take a mathematician to figure out that there will not be enough minutes to go around for all of those players, not in Toronto anyway.

This then begs the question: which of these players will still be in a Raptors’ uniform come next season? The question isn’t nearly as easy to answer as it probably should be.

You would have to guess that given the hype around Jonas Valanciunas and everything that Colangelo and Casey have been saying about the seven foot Lithuanian, he would be the untouchable in that particular group of players—and the entire team for the matter.

It would also seem as though Amir Johnson is a pretty safe bet to remain on the roster in light of his inconsistent play this season and the fact that his price tag makes him a more difficult player to move then Ed Davis or James Johnson.

James Johnson’s ability to play multiple positions, and defend multiple positions makes him an asset to this team going forward. The fact that he can play that wing position, which is an area of need for the Dinos, makes him more valuable to the club as a player on their roster than as a potential trade piece. Although, if the right deal came along I doubt Colangelo would hesitate to move him.

That leaves two forwards: Ed Davis and Andrea Bargnani.

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seifer0406 · 05-03-2012, 03:01 PM

If we end up with the 8th pick then nobody is out next year. Amir and Ed Davis haven't proven themselves to be starters and neither has Jonas. If we have all 4 of them the minutes would look like this

Jonas 25~ min
Bargnani 30-35 min
Ed Davis 15-20 min
Amir Johnson ~20 min

James Johnson is mainly a small forward.

**Knick Killer** · 05-03-2012, 06:29 PM

Didn't watch much of the Raptors this year. Did Ed Davis show any progress?

seifer0406 · 05-03-2012, 06:54 PM

nope. He blames it on not being able to work with the Raptors training staff this past offseason. He's still a defense and rebounding guy, not much offense at all.

doctordrizzay · 05-05-2012, 11:29 AM

what about Kleiza and Gray?

seifer0406 · 05-05-2012, 04:22 PM

what about them

**RollWithEm** · 05-06-2012, 06:10 PM

I think Ed Davis still has value around the league. They need to find a team with a young core who's also desperate for a tough rebounder (like Washington, Milwaukee, New Orleans, or maybe post-Nash Phoenix) to make a trade for some wing depth or a young PG prospect. Why keep all those bigs? Alleviate the logjam before it happens and build depth. How about Davis for Jordan Crawford/Chris Singleton or Davis/Kleiza for Ariza/Minnesota's 1st or maybe even Davis/Forbes for Jared Dudley/Phoenix' Late Lottery pick?

**Bogg** · 05-07-2012, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RollWithEm

I think Ed Davis still has value around the league. They need to find a team with a young core who's also desperate for a tough rebounder (like Washington, Milwaukee, New Orleans, or maybe post-Nash Phoenix) to make a trade for some wing depth or a young PG prospect. Why keep all those bigs? Alleviate the logjam before it happens and build depth. How about Davis for Jordan Crawford/Chris Singleton or Davis/Kleiza for Ariza/Minnesota's 1st or maybe even Davis/Forbes for Jared Dudley/Phoenix' Late Lottery pick?

You're pretty optimistic on the value of a backup garbageman. Nobody's giving up a lottery pick or a starting swingman until Davis develops some offense.

**RollWithEm** · 05-07-2012, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogg

You're pretty optimistic on the value of a backup garbageman. Nobody's giving up a lottery pick or a starting swingman until Davis develops some offense.

Everyone knows bigs take longer to develop. Young bigs with size always have inflated value.

Mr_B · 05-07-2012, 01:49 PM

I'd take Ed over Amir but Ed has more value and a cheap contract unfortunately he may be the odd man out

**Bogg** · 05-07-2012, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RollWithEm

Everyone knows bigs take longer to develop. Young bigs with size always have inflated value.

Yea, but you can always get a young big with size with a lottery pick. Maybe you could get Crawford for him if you sweetened the deal a bit, but in dealing away Nick Young the Wizards look to have made a commitment to giving Crawford a go as the starting two-guard. You're not getting a good haul until Davis shows some development offensively, there's a power forward who can get you six and six in the second round every year.

Junkyard Dog13 · 06-02-2012, 02:52 PM

Perhaps Amir could be the odd man out but he among the under contract forwards has the best size to start at C, we will need 1 back up either Mags returns or bring back Gray and you have a C rotation of Amir 25 Mags/Gray/Fa 10-15 Val 8-15.
In any deal if you are drafting a SF then you gotta dump Klieza, he is very inconsistent, travels to much, inconsistent at the FT line and if at the 3 too slow to play there.

AllRim · 06-19-2012, 01:09 PM

Love Amir, but he has the most value right now. We have to try and package him for a versatile 2/3.

Ed needs more minutes and could be a great piece moving forward if given regular minutes. He has the potential to be a great bench/role player for the raps.

I am not the biggest Bargs fan but this could be a great year for him. If Jonas can play big in the paint and take some of the pressure off Bargs for rebounding, Bargs will be able to spread the floor on offence. Then hopefully we bring in a pg that likes driving and creating which will make our offence way less stagnant and painfull to watch than it has been in the past.

So right now I think Amir can get us the best return, but everyone should be up for grabs other than Jonas and Bargs

Junkyard Dog13 · 06-24-2012, 12:38 PM

Klieza

05-03-2012, 03:01 PM	#2 (permalink)
seifer0406 Cat Launcher Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Age: 30 Posts: 8,527 Rep Power: 16655206	Re: With the Raptors’ Frontcourt Suddenly Crowded, Who Will be the Odd Man Out? If we end up with the 8th pick then nobody is out next year. Amir and Ed Davis haven't proven themselves to be starters and neither has Jonas. If we have all 4 of them the minutes would look like this Jonas 25~ min Bargnani 30-35 min Ed Davis 15-20 min Amir Johnson ~20 min James Johnson is mainly a small forward. __________________ The Raptors Young Onez

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Knick Killer -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Age: 20 Posts: 9,632 Rep Power: 8510128	Re: With the Raptors’ Frontcourt Suddenly Crowded, Who Will be the Odd Man Out? Didn't watch much of the Raptors this year. Did Ed Davis show any progress? __________________

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seifer0406 Cat Launcher Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Age: 30 Posts: 8,527 Rep Power: 16655206	Re: With the Raptors’ Frontcourt Suddenly Crowded, Who Will be the Odd Man Out? nope. He blames it on not being able to work with the Raptors training staff this past offseason. He's still a defense and rebounding guy, not much offense at all. __________________ The Raptors Young Onez

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seifer0406 Cat Launcher Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Age: 30 Posts: 8,527 Rep Power: 16655206	Re: With the Raptors’ Frontcourt Suddenly Crowded, Who Will be the Odd Man Out? what about them __________________ The Raptors Young Onez

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RollWithEm Never Argue with a Fool Space Invaders Champion! Hexxagon Champion! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New Orleans Posts: 30,856 Rep Power: 6045213	Re: With the Raptors’ Frontcourt Suddenly Crowded, Who Will be the Odd Man Out? I think Ed Davis still has value around the league. They need to find a team with a young core who's also desperate for a tough rebounder (like Washington, Milwaukee, New Orleans, or maybe post-Nash Phoenix) to make a trade for some wing depth or a young PG prospect. Why keep all those bigs? Alleviate the logjam before it happens and build depth. How about Davis for Jordan Crawford/Chris Singleton or Davis/Kleiza for Ariza/Minnesota's 1st or maybe even Davis/Forbes for Jared Dudley/Phoenix' Late Lottery pick? __________________ But that's just me. RWE's Random Questions: (Close Friends, Virginity, Home-Schooling, Wiretapping, Cheating, Piracy) RWE's Movie Rankings: (Coen Brothers, Stanley Kubrick, Top 90 of the 90's) RWE's Underground Update - RWE's SciFi Corner RWE's Smash Central - RWE's Culinary Cul de Sac 2015 FRSL Champion New Orleans Jazz Lawson - Thabo - Thad - Brow - Big Al - Manu - Jayson

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Mr_B Star Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Toronto Age: 28 Posts: 2,504 Rep Power: 595394	Re: With the Raptors’ Frontcourt Suddenly Crowded, Who Will be the Odd Man Out? I'd take Ed over Amir but Ed has more value and a cheap contract unfortunately he may be the odd man out

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Junkyard Dog13 STL4LIFE Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Toronto (Mississauga) Age: 30 Posts: 5,790 Rep Power: 1014458	Re: With the Raptors’ Frontcourt Suddenly Crowded, Who Will be the Odd Man Out? Perhaps Amir could be the odd man out but he among the under contract forwards has the best size to start at C, we will need 1 back up either Mags returns or bring back Gray and you have a C rotation of Amir 25 Mags/Gray/Fa 10-15 Val 8-15. In any deal if you are drafting a SF then you gotta dump Klieza, he is very inconsistent, travels to much, inconsistent at the FT line and if at the 3 too slow to play there. __________________ Raps fans since Day 1 Steelers fan since 97 Leafs fan since 88 Mets fan since 98

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AllRim Star Snake Champion! Breakout Champion! Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Hamilton, Ontario Age: 29 Posts: 3,425 Rep Power: 449803	Re: With the Raptors’ Frontcourt Suddenly Crowded, Who Will be the Odd Man Out? Love Amir, but he has the most value right now. We have to try and package him for a versatile 2/3. Ed needs more minutes and could be a great piece moving forward if given regular minutes. He has the potential to be a great bench/role player for the raps. I am not the biggest Bargs fan but this could be a great year for him. If Jonas can play big in the paint and take some of the pressure off Bargs for rebounding, Bargs will be able to spread the floor on offence. Then hopefully we bring in a pg that likes driving and creating which will make our offence way less stagnant and painfull to watch than it has been in the past. So right now I think Amir can get us the best return, but everyone should be up for grabs other than Jonas and Bargs

06-24-2012, 12:38 PM	#14 (permalink)
Junkyard Dog13 STL4LIFE Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Toronto (Mississauga) Age: 30 Posts: 5,790 Rep Power: 1014458	Re: With the Raptors’ Frontcourt Suddenly Crowded, Who Will be the Odd Man Out? Klieza __________________ Raps fans since Day 1 Steelers fan since 97 Leafs fan since 88 Mets fan since 98

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