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Nope, I have always thought that Lin isn't that good. And I actually have always been a fan of Lowry and actually think he's being a bit overrated here, so don't "homer goggles" me.

Lin is not better than Lowry.

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Luke

He isn't better than Lowry though. At all. Lowry is a much more complete point guard and it's not really debatable. And you don't see everything with homer glasses? The same guy that has been blowing Lin in every thread lately? Please. Raptor fans are excited about Lowry and have every right to be, he's a good young point guard.

Yeah, that was me. And you're proving my point in this thread. Congratulations. And no one "put me in my place". I stated that I don't get excited about white basketball players because they're white, which is true. What people of my race do outside of basketball is irrelevant; I was talking about basketball, you know, the sport that Jeremy Lin is mediocre at relative to his counterparts. But good try.

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c_dog

again you're just ignorant. you fail to notice why minorities would get so excited about seeing one of their own succeed. white guys are succeeding in every aspect of society including sports. while the stereotype for asians is that they are only good at math and science and generally not very athletic. that's why asians cheer for jeremy lin. it's something you as a white guy will never understand cuz you lack perspective and you're ignorant. and you totally got put in your place in that thread, sorry buddy. everybody was calling out your ignorance but i see you still don't get it.

lowry is not better than lin. i guess we will have to wait til the season begins to see. it's not like raptors fans have great perspective on talent. i've stated that bargnani, hedo, kleiza would be terrible signing at the times they were signed and each time various members of the forum tell me i'm wrong but i end up being right each and every time.

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Luke

The fact that you feel the desire to root for a player solely based on his ethnicity is the definition of ignorance. Race is not a factor to me when deciding who my favorite players are, how you are construing that as "ignorant" is beyond me. The success of white people in the world in irrelevant; we're not talking about accomplishments outside of basketball, we're talking about a specific sport that is dominated by a race other than my own. And that doesn't bother me at all. I don't turn into a little fangirl every time Kevin Love puts up a 20/20 game because he's white. You cheer for Jeremy Lin because he's asian, not because of his specific skill set, and that's pathetic.

And please, show me where I was put in my place. If I recall correctly that thread ended with you babbling on about nothing and wordsmith Jamel calling me "white boy" and twisting my words. But feel free to go find specific examples.

Lowry is absolutely a better basketball player than Lin. He is a far superior defender, is less careless with the ball, and was able to put up comparable offensive numbers despite playing in a completely different system than Lin. The vast majority of intelligent basketball fans on this site would take Lowry over Lin in a heartbeat.

And if I were you, I probably wouldn't be using my track record while trying to defend myself. Look at your freaking signature. You're the same guy that's still sporting pictures saying that Sonny Weems and Demar Derozan should strike fear into opponents heart. Hilarious. And your Kevin Durant prediction for 2011 was equally as ridiculous.

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Wade County

I'm pretty sure a lot of Asians are succeeding in all walks of life.

Jeremy Lin is a solid player, but come on, Lowry craps all over him as a PG. I'm white and I think this. You saying white people are ignorant, is being ignorant

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seifer0406

You're out of your mind here. NBA is mostly black but to compare a good white player like Kevin Love to Jeremy Lin who is the first Asian American to play in the league is just ridiculous. If Kevin Love is the first white person to ever play in the NBA then I can guarantee you that he'll be getting all kinds of attention. It has nothing to do with success outside of basketball (believe me, with the current US economy a lot of people are wishing they're from elsewhere). People like to cheer for underdogs and when you're the first of your ethnic group to actually succeed at doing something, you are an underdog for that particular thing.

I don't see why you think that cheering for him because he's Asian is pathetic. What's pathetic about it? There hasn't been any other Asian that made it to the NBA so it's wrong to cheer for him because he might be the first one that's any good?

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Luke

A player's ethnicity should not dictate how a fan views a player. I don't like Kobe Bryant less because he's black, and I don't like Kevin Love more because he's white. Basing your opinion on an athlete by his physical appearance/race is childish and borderline racist.

But I'm the ignorant one.

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ChosenFEW

This reminds me of that south park episode where Stans dad said a racial slur. Stan kept trying to understand where minorities were coming from(not literally) but he finally understood when he understood that he would never understand. Then the black kid says, now you understand.

Lol

I've become a south park fan again thanks to Netflix.

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Luke

I watched the "Butt Out" episode today on netflix, it was hilarious.

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seifer0406

So according to you Obama being the first black president should mean nothing to anyone and anyone who feels inspired by him for that reason is pathetic and childish? How old are you really?

The fact that you would think that to cheer for someone because he's the first of his ethnic group to succeed in the NBA is racist just baffles me.

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Luke

Where did I say that? I've explicitly stated over and over that I am referring specifically to professional basketball players. You know, ordinary people that play a children's game exceptionally well. Not a President, not a doctor, a freaking athlete. Anyone who feels "inspired" by an athlete's ability to play a game is a joke. Period. They are normal people that posses a particular skill. Having a preference that is based on an athlete's ethnicity is racist.

Since we're putting ridiculous words in each other's mouth, do you give Asian people preferential treatment in your life? Do you think less of whites or blacks because their skin color doesn't "inspire" you?

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seifer0406

It's the same logic here if you're having a hard time following. We can discuss why people can be inspired by professional athletes but on the topic of cheering for someone because of their race due to the fact that they are the first one of their ethnic group to succeed at doing whatever they're doing Obama being president is the same as Jeremy Lin making it into the NBA. Not the same magnitude obviously but the logic is the same. It has never been done before and people are inspired by them for being the first at doing it. For you to see this a sign of racism is just ridiculous. If anything it's a sign of overcoming racism if there is to begin with.

I think this is where your ignorance comes in. You don't grasp the idea that people can appreciate somebody's work ethic and the sacrifices that they make to their bodies to play a sport. It might be a childish game to you but for them it's their livelihood and something that they've dedicated their life in doing. Do you have any respect for actors or singers or any kind of entertainer in our society? Do you respect any of their work? Do you have any respect for chefs who have earned Michelin stars for their restaurants? It's just cooking food, why would that lead to any inspiration? How about artists? Any idiot could draw, I bet you've drawn. How about writers, poets, broadcasters, etc.

I mean really, do I still have to go on?

No I don't but I don't see why that would mean anything.

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Luke

Obama becoming the first African American president is not comparable to Jeremy Lin being a mediocre professional basketball player. Period. I'll be ignoring every future reference comparing an athlete to anything other than another professional athlete.


I can appreciate basketball players being good at basketball. I can also respect an individual's drive and work ethic. But I will never be "inspired" by a grown man that plays a game for a living. It's a game.

Racism is defined as "Discrimination or prejudice based on race". If a person likes Jeremy Lin because he's asian, than that person is a racist. I don't care about whatever inferiority complex that individual feels about his or her heritage, preferring or disliking a human being based on their ethnicity is racist.

People should like Jeremy Lin because of what he accomplished as a basketball player, not because of what he looks like. The fact that he is famous because of his ethnicity more so than the fact that he transformed from being borderline out of the league to a solid starter in less than a year is disgusting. And I would hope that Jeremy Lin would agree with me. He was born Asian. He earned the right to play in the world's greatest basketball league by single handily turning an entire franchise around overnight. The latter is the reason people should support this underdog story, not because of his heritage.

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seifer0406

Just because you keep saying period doesn't mean your point is any less retarded. I already explained that it's the logic that's similar. I'm not comparing the accomplishment of the two, I'm simply explaining that people cheer for Jeremy Lin for the same reason that some people cheered for Obama. They are the the first of their ethnic group to succeed at doing their particular thing. They've fought against great odds and still ended up succeeding. For you to label those people as pathetic is again, ridiculous.

No you can't apparently, or else you wouldn't be making this statement. Since I don't see you replying to any of my post regarding the various jobs outside of "Doctors and presidents" I am going to assume that I have pushed my point across. You are an ignorant individual and it has nothing to do with your race.

I think most people understand the definition of racism. However like I said before people are cheering for him because he's the first one of his ethnic group to succeed in the NBA. It's not like we live in a society where Asians are preferred everywhere and this is an extension of that. People cheer for him because he's doing something that has never been done before.

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I'd pipe in on how Lowry and Lin isn't even a debate, but it seems its been taken care of already.

Unless Lin plays next season dropping 20 a game again its pretty laughable to call him better than Lowry.

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